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POLL: How are you archiving?
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Look man. There is no easy answer. I archive to hard drive you obviously don’t. So what do you do? Final programs go to tape (of course), but how the hell do you expect me to archive my project files and all other ancillary material to BetaSP? 15 years? I bet it’ll be hard to find a beta machine that is working in 15 years. I am willing to wager they won’t be on every street corner like they are now so I pose that challenge back to you.
If I can last through the next 5 years with hard drives, I am willing to bet that something will come along that will make archiving life better. Program layoffs aside.
SO if you are so smart and don’t use hard drives, how do you manage your digital life? And how exactly do I get this FCP project file on to my Beta machine?
Jeremy
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[Wayne Carey] ” I have had four LaCie drives go down on me this year with the oldest drive being three years old.”
And I bet that was the enclosure, not the drive. Never back up to a raid0 array ever.
Jeremy
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[mark raudonis] “You can make all the flip comments you want, but a hard drive is just not a reliable way to store media in the long term. Are you even going to have a compatible operating system 10-15 years from now that will recognize that drive and how it’s formatted?”
Keep in mind we’re talking about the digital workflow. As in tapeless Acquisition. How do you archive all of that material that has been shot digitally? That is the question.
Sure you archive your master shows and put them on tape. But what do you do with all of your raw material that has never been recorded to tape? Do you lay off every single shot to tape with matched timecode so you can recapture in the future? Probably not, waste of time.
So then the question becomes how do you store your digital files? I would guess Hard drive is the answer.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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Walter, which Blu-Ray burners are you using? Will they do DL?
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[Bill Bilowit – Tareco Pictures] “Walter, which Blu-Ray burners are you using? Will they do DL?”
I have a FastMac internal burner on the Mac Pro. Yes it does dual layer.
We also have a 2 unit stand-alone Blu-ray Replicator that uses Panasonic burners.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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Jeremy,
Sensitive to opposing points of view? Just a little!
Project files and ancillary media (stills, grfx, etc) can get burned to a DVD as data.
Do I think there will be Beta machines around in 15 years? Yes, absolutely. We still have 3/4 machines laying around from the 80’s that work. Don’t ever use ’em, but they work.
Until this archiving conundrum is solved, the tapeless production workflow will remain a problem for many producers with network delivery requirements. Blue Ray is the most promising archive medium, but going there negates the whole concept of faster, better, cheaper and turns it into, slower, worse than before, and more expensive.
For a self contained, “in the moment” project, tapeless is great. For a project that has the possibility of long term commercial exploitation, it creates problems that many people may over look in their haste to adopt a new product. Namely, the hoops required to navigate a viable archive plan end up costing more than using tape in the first place.
Don’t shoot me, I’m just the messanger. Corner your friendly Panasonic or Sony rep at the next tradeshow and ask them what they’re recommending for archiving digital media.
Mark
[Jeremy Garchow] “Final programs go to tape (of course), but how the hell do you expect me to archive my project files and all other ancillary material to BetaSP? 15 years? I bet it’ll be hard to find a beta machine that is working in 15 years. I am willing to wager they won’t be on every street corner like they are now so I pose that challenge back to you. “
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Walter, what about projects bigger than 50GB?
Do you span multiple BD Discs or goto hard drive?
on a side note, I have complete confidence in a 1TB external with 2, 500 gb drives, set for mirroring.
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Back to the poll…We are using SATA hard drives. The capital just isn’t available for LTO at the moment. I have to say, it feels like a cheap, inadequate, temporary solution.
The whole P2 system we are using, with the inexpensive HVX-200, is a way to offer HD to some of our clients with a very small investment. The camera has no HD tape mechanism. The VTR for playback is rented. That gets you in the game really cheap.
I need to look for a better enclosure for the backkups. A 2-bay, removable, RAID-1, with FW800 and/or eSATA would seem to be a good backup system for making double copies.
The Exabyte DLT looks interesting, but the transfer rate–6 MBps? That’s 140 minutes to transfer 50GB. The Blu-Ray might be faster than that.
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Has anyone heard any more about the holographic disc system? They were supposed to be introduced this Fall. Storage 300GB to 1.6TB with a fast through put.
Cheers,
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[jim cunningham] ”
Has anyone heard any more about the holographic disc system? They were supposed to be introduced this Fall. Storage 300GB to 1.6TB with a fast through put”They are in use now by TBS I heard.
Still prohibitively expensive though.
The drive is around $ 15,000 last I checked.
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