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plenty of handle on outgoing clip…but dissolve is locked to one frame
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wow…
I don’t know what to say…great response.
-Jason
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[Jason Brown] “I don’t know what to say…great response. “
Jason,
Those of us who have been around since the days of film have a bit of an advantage at times, because we know how and why things are they way they are, and because in the days of film editing we had to perform many of the same functions manually, with our own hands, that today are merely clicks with a mouse. Like anything else, doing things with your hands can give you a real feel for things that’s harder to get through a digital user interface. And, being there at the very beginning, to see the evolution of NLEs from film and from linear editing, was a great way for us film people to learn how these things actually work. It’s why we old fogies get to hang around these parts while we wait to be shipped off to the bone farm.
David
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I remember it from college (I’m not quite so old yet), A B Negative cutting, fades and dissolves had to be in multiples of 8 frames (or was it 16 frames?)
Cutting on a flatbed in 16mm, never quite worked with an upright.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Avid did not invent the transition. Transitions and many other aspects of non linear editing were designed to emulate film style editing, and in film style editing, if you don’t have the frames on both the outgoing and incoming negative, you’d be hosed when the negative was conformed. So, that’s where the procedure originates, and that’s why it exists. The fact that Avid decided to abandon the old method, or that FCP decided to keep it, is neither right or wrong for either system, it just is what it is, and you have to learn to adjust.
“I don’t know what you’re saying.
I’ve been dissolving with only one clip having handles on AVID forever.
Didn’t need handles on both clips on a flatbed, either.
You needed at least “leader” to keep the incoming clip threaded, but if the dissolve didn’t
start until the exposed frames began (“Starting on Cut”) you never saw the leader.FCP does not require handles on both clips.
The handle only is required to be on one clip or the other.
(It CAN be on both, of course.)Am I not understanding the discussion?
I’m sitting here making dissolves that begin on the very first captured frame of the incoming video.
No problem at all. There is no handle overlap on the incoming clip. None.Here’s how I’m doing this:
1- Open the Effects Tab in the Browser.
2- Find the Cross Dissolve effect (audio or video) that you want to use.
3- Change the length (in the Length Column.)
4- Drop that effect onto the edit point.You can drop the effect just before the cut, “on” the cut, or just after the cut-
Before the cut: “End at Cut” Dissolve
On the cut: “Centered on Cut” Dissolve
After the cut: “Start at Cut” DissolveIf there is no handle on one of the clips, you just need to drop the dissolve on the side of the
cut where there is no handle.
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[Thax Clave] “If there is no handle on one of the clips, you just need to drop the dissolve on the side of the
cut where there is no handle.
Then, FCP will use only the OTHER clip’s frames to create the dissolve. “So what happens when you right click between the two clips and add the dissolve, which the way I add most of my dissolves here since it’s faster.
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Thax!
I was worried, because YES it is editing 101.
You’ve solved my problem…my workflow is to add a dissolve using a keyboard shortcut – the “\” key. That seems to be where the problem lies.
The way it used to work for me was that AVID prompts you when you add a transition on whether you want start,end,or center on cut.
In FCP, my default transition is CENTERED on cut…so when I add that it only lasts 1 frame and starts at cut. I don’t have any ability to access handles for some reason.
If I do your suggestion, -> It works fine.
[Thax Clave] “1- Open the Effects Tab in the Browser.
2- Find the Cross Dissolve effect (audio or video) that you want to use.
3- Change the length (in the Length Column.)
4- Drop that effect onto the edit point. “So now – new question. Can I setup a keyboard shortcut for dissolve start/end/and centered? Is the typical workflow to setup a dissolve in the viewer and then drag it down? Seems like a lot of work for a simple dissolve. I also hate using the mouse, I’d rather add a transition simply by pressing a key, not dragging across my dual 24″ monitors! 🙂
-Jason
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[walter biscardi] “So what happens when you right click between the two clips and add the dissolve, which the way I add most of my dissolves here since it’s faster.
“Don’t do it that way if you want to edit to a clip that has no handles.
What can I tell you?
The reason I persisted is that several very seasoned editors were saying that FCP and AVID simply wouldn’t DO those kind of dissolves.
I’ve been doing them ever since I first touched an AVID (version 4.)
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Yea…good point, my thought was that exactly. If I have a clip that media starts @ cut…then I’ll go through the effect tab, otherwise I can set a default transition then adjust since there are handles.
Thanks for clearing that up Thax!
-Jason
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