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  • Herb Sevush

    August 29, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Do a search for Top 25 movies of 2012. (half this year)You’ll find more range, more variety, and all the quality.”

    I did a search and was very underwhelmed, aside from Beasts of the Southern Wild, which is brilliant in any year.

    [Bill Davis] “The 2011 Rotten Tomatoes top 25 has movies every bit as good as those on your “classic list” and when those who are teenagers today look back at Drive, or the Girl with the Dragon Tatoo, or Super 8,”

    You must be kidding, right? I mean there were a couple of pretty good films last year – The Artist, Moneyball, The Guard, Hugo, Win Win, Drive, Attack the Block – but I doubt anyone is gonna confuse this list with Bridge On The River Kwai, Paths of Glory, Love in the Afternoon and The Sweet Smell of Success.

    [Bill Davis] “The issue is that nobody hears of half of them because we’re innundated with too much choice. Every week there not 10 or 20 movies released in the modern era, but hundreds. “

    In 2010 615 films were released in the US. in 1939 761 films were released. Yes, I see, there are so many films released in the modern era.

    [Bill Davis] “With 40 restaurants in town, they can mostly be decent. With 400, it’s not as easy. The customer pool is diffused, there’s more competition for resources and talent, and so there will be more BAD to go along with more GOOD.”

    The ratio of good to bad is not dependent on number. Using Sturgeon’s Law which states that 90% of everything is crap, your small town would have 4 good restaurants and your big town would have 40. With modern media, Zagat will have a review of all 40 and anyone wishing to get a good meal can eat at a different one each week. The larger numbers should make for more good films, reviewers will steer you to them. Unfortunately for your math the truth is that there were 20% fewer films released last year than in the heyday of Hollywood so even the math is going against you.

    The other truth is that progress does not proceed on a straight line. Ask someone in medieval Rome.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
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    nothin’ attached to nothin’
    “Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

  • Bill Davis

    August 30, 2012 at 4:45 am

    [Herb Sevush] “Using Sturgeon’s Law which states that 90% of everything is crap, your small town would have 4 good restaurants and your big town would have 40. With modern media, Zagat will have a review of all 40 and anyone wishing to get a good meal can eat at a different one each week. “

    Oh please. This has hints of the kind of elitest twaddle not usually attached to your arguments.

    My neighborhood Mexican food joint is one of 100 excellent examples of the craft in Phoenix.

    In case you haven’t noticed, food has improved incredibly in the past 20 years as culinary schools have moved from niche endeavors to mainstream education.

    Heck my wife and I were given a gift card to the local Cocos Bakery Restaurant recently – a decidedly mid-priced family chain restaurant with 110 outlets in the southwest.

    The meal was absolutely fine. Flavorful. Reasonably priced. Calorically modest. Less processed and more fresh than the “coffee shop” fare of yesterday.

    That’s typical out there.

    The foodie tide is lifting ALL boats.

    I’d argue the same trends apply to the content creation tsunami.

    More better competition coming down the road fast.

    This is the first era where you likely have more people (certainly WAY more under 30) who would recognize John Stewart on the street than Brian Williams.

    And so it goes.

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • Tony West

    August 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “* 3:10 to Yuma,
    * 12 Angry Men
    * An Affair to Remember
    * The Bridge on the River Kwai
    * Decision at Sundown
    * Designing Woman
    * Desk Set
    * Edge of the City
    * The Enemy Below
    * A Face in the Crowd
    * Fear Strikes Out
    * Funny Face
    * Gunfight at the O.K. Corral
    * Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison
    * Kiss Them for Me
    * Love in the Afternoon
    * Man of a Thousand Faces
    * Old Yeller
    * The Pajama Game
    * Pal Joey
    * Paths of Glory
    * The Sad Sack
    * The Spirit of St. Louis
    * Sweet Smell of Success
    * The Tall T
    * The Three Faces of Eve
    * The Tin Star
    * The Wings of Eagles
    * Witness for the Prosecution “

    I have to hand it to you one this one Herb, that is a great list of films.

    Many of today’s young film goers just don’t appreciate great films like we did when I was coming up.

    My parents would say “this is a great film” and we watched it because we respected their view, and it would be a great film.

    I can’t tell you how many 20 somethings have told me they won’t watch black and white.

    Think about that for a minute……………some of the greatest films ever made (a few on that list) are b/w

    THAT’S one of the reasons you have so much crap out there, because too many people are happy to see crap.

  • Herb Sevush

    August 30, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    [tony west] “I can’t tell you how many 20 somethings have told me they won’t watch black and white.”

    I know, I’ve had that response many times. It’s sad to think they won’t watch Love In The Afternoon because is isn’t in color. Nobody thinks the greatest paintings ever painted were created in the last 40 years, nobody thinks the greatest novels ever written were published in the last 40 years, so why do they think that all the best movies were made after 1970?

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
    —————————
    nothin’ attached to nothin’
    “Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

  • Herb Sevush

    August 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Oh please. This has hints of the kind of elitest twaddle not usually attached to your arguments.”

    Theodore Sturgeon was a prominent Science fiction writer of the post war period. He was once asked by a reporter “Isn’t it true that 90% of science fiction is crap” to which he replied “90% of everything is crap”, hence Sturgeons Law. I’ve found this a good rule of thumb to go by, with the proviso that you understand that Sturgeon was an optimist.

    [Bill Davis] “My neighborhood Mexican food joint is one of 100 excellent examples of the craft in Phoenix. “

    I just saw a list of 4114 restaurants in Phoenix –

    https://phoenixaz.localguides.com/ypcyellow/restaurants.html?a1=1&a2=17961337606&a3=123000312&a4=p

    So if you think there are 100 good ones that means 97.5% are crap, so yeah, Sturgeon is definitely an optimist.

    [Bill Davis] “In case you haven’t noticed, food has improved incredibly in the past 20 years as culinary schools have moved from niche endeavors to mainstream education. “

    Not only have I noticed, I make my living in that field and your totally correct, food in america has been improving in both variety and quality for over 20 years.

    [Bill Davis] “The foodie tide is lifting ALL boats.

    I’d argue the same trends apply to the content creation tsunami.”

    The foodie tide is not lifting the quality of novels or painting or opera or home construction or education or editing applications. It is lifting the quality of restaurants and supermarkets.

    [Bill Davis] “This is the first era where you likely have more people (certainly WAY more under 30) who would recognize John Stewart on the street than Brian Williams.”

    While I’m a huge fan of the Daily Show, what does this have to do with the price of beans? More young people would recognize Brian Williams than Brit Hume, Beyonce than John Stewart, and JZ than Joe Biden – so what?

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
    —————————
    nothin’ attached to nothin’
    “Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

  • Joseph Owens

    August 30, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “nobody thinks the greatest novels ever written were published in the last 40 years, so why do they think that all the best movies were made after 1970?”

    I refer the matter to Harlan Ellison “The Glass Teat”…

    and I hesitate to mention the name “McLuhan” in case Woody Allen steps out from behind the scenery and lambastes me, as so many richly deserve.
    https://blog.moviefone.com/2009/09/20/classic-cameos-marshall-mcluhan-annie-hall/

    which, now that I review it, is more relevant than ever, same as Ellison.

    jPo

    “I always pass on free advice — its never of any use to me” Oscar Wilde.

  • Bill Davis

    August 30, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “[Bill Davis] “My neighborhood Mexican food joint is one of 100 excellent examples of the craft in Phoenix. ”

    I just saw a list of 4114 restaurants in Phoenix –

    https://phoenixaz.localguides.com/ypcyellow/restaurants.html?a1=1&a2=1796133...

    So if you think there are 100 good ones that means 97.5% are crap, so yeah, Sturgeon is definitely an optimist.

    Sigh,

    I didn’t argue “restaurants” I argued Mexican food joints. And crap is not the opposite of Excellent.

    We probably have fewer crap Mexican food joints than most other towns, simply because it’s a cultural norm here – unlike say, Deleware, Wisconsin. or Utah – all of which have wonderful regional cuisine and might even have a number of quality Mexican food joints – but most likely not the pure traditional Sonoran style ones we’re blessed with here.

    So your 97.5% argument (which I understand is fictional hyperbole to make a point) is just too far off for me to accept.

    Heck, the web says there are 615 or so Mexican food joints locally. I also noted 100 “Excellent” ones – not good or fair. So you’re 97.5% argument falls flatter than … a tortilla?

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • Richard Herd

    September 2, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “Does this also define X as a product not made not for the betterment of the art of editing but merely to avoid the kind of patent wars that Apple is such a proponent of?”

    Of course not. It could be both “a betterment of art” and “avoid the kind of patent wars.”

    Silly man. It’s not an either or situation. Now, if they’d just make the damn audio editing GUI!

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