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P2 DVCPRO, 50, HD recording times chart?
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The way I would work it is that at the end of the shoot I would hand my client 2 Hard drives full of footage. All digitized with a back up. Since they would be paying for DVCPRO HD tape and then have to work through the footage with a digitizing process, this may well seem like a bonus, all they need to do is mount the drive, import the clips and start editing. Save the archive decisions to later where it is not time sensitive to getting the job done and the invoice to the ultimate client.
FWIW,
Jan
Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
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[David Battistella] “Here is a question. Let’s say I am shooting DV and I want some varicam style sloomo to blend into my production. Can I record those shots on the P2 cards with variable frame rates”
Yes, you can do exactly that, and then tell the camera to downconvert onto the tape. In effect you’ll get variable frame rates even in DV…
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[Brian SaenzDeViteri] “does 1080/24p have the same rate as 1080/30p?”
Yes, all the 1080 modes occupy the exact same amount of storage. 1080/24p = 100 megabits, 1080/30p = 100 megabits, 1080/60i = 100 megabits.
The reason is that 1080/24p is recorded using 2:3 or 2:3:3:2 pulldown, just like how 24p is recorded on DV. So it takes the full 60i data rate to store 30p or 24p.
In an ideal world, maybe they should have made it store only the active frames, but that would probably involve some changes to the codec (the codec is designed to store a 60i stream). Implementing it using pulldown lets them use the existing codec, maintain compatibility with the VariCam and other DVCPRO-HD gear, and get 24p as well (something no other DVCPRO-HD product can yet do).
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[Brian SaenzDeViteri] “The LTO option right now seems like the cheapest alternative to purchasing a lot of hard drives, but the cheapest drive is over $5000.”
It just doesn’t sound for a nice idea that after this “getting rid of the tape” phenomena you’ll have to archive to tape. Maybe Blu Ray will come soon enough… And there is PD from sony already.
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[Jan Crittenden Livingston] “DVCPRO tapes, Metal Particle, completely different than Metal Evaporated which is what the HDV, and DV are based on.”
Jan, is this bad durability proven fact or just marketing hype?
Any links for any tests?
I have copied miniDV to 50-100 vhs-tapes several times and have not seen any drop-outs in miniDV-tape after that.
If you can playback the tape 100 times without drop-outs, I’d suspect that recording for 10 times is no problem. (Although I’ve used some tapes only 2-3 times…) -
So shell out for the firestore and you are golden. They need to make a firestore like device that is just the brain and you can shove any drive into it. Guess the drives would have to be pre-formatted for that to work but how easy is that!
Hard drives will be half the price per minute of tape so you can buy 2 and back up twice.
S.
Win 2k, Premiere, Canopus DV Storm SE
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I’ve sent messages to them asking them to build exactly that product. Here’s hoping that they do.
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Awesome Barry!
If they don’t, somebody will. They already have these divices for Pro-Audio. Hot swappable even.
S.
Win 2k, Premiere, Canopus DV Storm SE
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