-
out point mark is one frame longer than i want…can i fix?
-
[Kevin Monahan] “if you wanted to use the playhead to mark out you OPT + CMD + Click the edit point.”
This doesn’t seem to work for me. Nothing happens when I try this combination in a timeline. What am I doing wrong? You mean mouse click the timeline cursor right?
-
[Bret Williams] “When sitting in front of a computer monitor it seems natural to mark the start and end of a clip. A chunk if you will.”
I agree. Except that’s not what FCP does. If you down arrow to the end of the clip and press “O” it includes the first frame of the next clip. It should set the out-cut right where the cursor is. Between the clips. At the cut.
-
I’d just like to say Erich that I have used systems that mark the way you describe. I’ve been editing tape since Quad machines, U-matic, one inch, Beta, on many systems and film before that, where of course you could mark whatever side you wanted. Starts were marked at the top of the frame in the Moviola, ends were marked at the bottom of the frame, very much like modern NLEs.
Personally I think NLE choice is very elegant and simple. WYSIWYG. If you see a frame when you mark an Out it’s included in the edit. If you don’t see the frame it’s not included. When you play In to Out, playback stops on the last frame of shot, not on the frame after.
Sure make it a preference. I think it works fine the way it is, and I think it could complicate media manager further, which I would not like to see.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” DVD
-
That’s because the Down arrow takes you to the next edit event. The In point for the next shot. You need to tap the left arrow once before you mark the Out point. A lot people complain about this. Perhaps another preference for the down arrow key behavior.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” DVD
-
[Tom Wolsky] “Perhaps another preference for the down arrow key behavior.”
No. I think that’s just complicating the issue and may even make it worse.
The timeline cursor lands correctly, at the cut. It’s not really on a frame it’s at the cut. It shows the next frame in the viewer to the right of the cut but the cursor is between the frames at the cut. It has to be because that’s what the editor is ultimately concerned with, where to make the cut. My argument is that the in-cut, the out-cut, the cut between the clips, and the cursor should all be defined the same. When the user sets something at the timeline cursor it should be placed directly on the cursor because that
-
Everybody will have there views on this. Perhaps I’ve just used NLEs long enough to have adapted, but I can tell you it never bothered me from the beginning.
I do understand where cuts are made.
It might be worth an informal poll. How many like the current behavior, and how many find it a nuisance?
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” DVD
-
[Eric Susch] “It’s been a fast uphill climb for FCP to add all the features and be competitive with other professional systems.”
That’s why this behavior is exactly as in most other NLEs. FCP’s development is definitely influenced by Avid. This is one thing that doesn’t need changing. I wouldn’t mind the CMD OPT Click on the edit point operation though.
“[Kevin Monahan] “if you wanted to use the playhead to mark out you OPT + CMD + Click the edit point.””
[Eric Susch] “This doesn’t seem to work for me. Nothing happens when I try this combination in a timeline. What am I doing wrong? You mean mouse click the timeline cursor right?”
This is on the Avid, not FCP. In my old manuals, I could not find a way to alter the behavior of the playhead as someone else suggested.
-
[Kevin Monahan] “[Eric Susch] “It’s been a fast uphill climb for FCP to add all the features and be competitive with other professional systems.”
That’s why this behavior is exactly as in most other NLEs. FCP’s development is definitely influenced by Avid.”
I agree. I’m not sure about “most” because there’s an awful lot of NLEs out there but Avid editors certainly need to feel comfortable with FCP since Avid is the professional market leader. I don’t think that the Avid interface is the end all to NLE design though. There are a lot of things in FCP that work different than Avid and I think they work better. (Well, hopefully they work better.)
[Kevin Monahan] “I wouldn’t mind the CMD OPT Click on the edit point operation though.”
I wouldn’t either but I would hope it wouldn’t include a mouse operation. If it was a simple keystroke that put the out-cut right on the cursor then you could change it to whatever key you wanted.
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up