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  • online vs. offline editing

  • Kyle Troxell

    November 28, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    I’m editing in HDV. I know my way around FCP but there are still a lot of things I do not know. Like proper log and capturing, online-offline etc etc.

    So with HDV, the sizes are small enough, that if doesn’t matter if I do online or offline?

  • Bob Flood

    November 28, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    sweet

    however, the only thing lacking (as is usually the case with avid) is personalitys

    most creative types always welcome a fresh eye and viewpoint. part of the process is that when you go to “online” you have an individual who has an eye for not only color and sound, but flow and pacing and content. Many is the time that when the rough cut got to me it was still really rough, and needed a lot of air added here and taken away there as well as all the other stuff.

    I think this is the biggest reason for this 2 stage process, and usually the one you hear the least about.

    my 2.12 cents

    “I like video because its so fast!”

    Bob Flood
    Greer & Associates, Inc.

  • Rafael Amador

    November 28, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    HDV files take in your HD the same space than DV.
    rafael

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  • David Roth Weiss

    November 28, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    [KyleTroxell] “I’m editing in HDV. I know my way around FCP but there are still a lot of things I do not know. Like proper log and capturing, online-offline etc etc.

    So with HDV, the sizes are small enough, that if doesn’t matter if I do online or offline?”

    Because hard drives are so cheap these days, its best to avoid the the entire concept of recapturing, and just capture at the final resolution from the start. As Rafalaos said, HDV and DV are the same file size, both 13gb per hour so it makes little sense to do a two step process to save space, as no space is saved. In fact, with HDV, many are now capturing as Pro Res, which takes up quite a bit more hard drive space, simply because its full raster no anamorphic sqeezing and unsqueezing, its I-frame based with real video frames and no long GOP computing demands, and because its 10-bit with better color space.

    One additional thing that no one else mentioned… A great rule of thumb if you ever do offline/online with an eventual recapture pass, is to make sure to keep everything at the same framerate and same aspect ratio if at all possible. Where the process becomes really gets complicated is shooting at somethng like 24p and offline ediitng at 29.97, then onlining at 24p. Even very expereinced editors get that messed up all the the time.

    David

    David Roth Weiss
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  • Alla Kovgan

    December 15, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    Dear David and folks at Creative COW!

    We shot on Panasonic AJ-HDX900.
    We shot in 1080/24p on tapes.
    I downconverted all the material to SD – that is my off-line version.

    I plan to stay in 24p through on-line in hopes to output both on HD and 35mm.

    What settings in FCPRO should I use when capturing my SD 24p material?

    (1)
    Shall I use the 2:3:3:2 pulldown setting but keep 23.98 as my frame rate?

    or

    (2)
    Shall I use the 2:3:3:2 pulldown setting with 29.97 (as FCPro offers by default)?

    or

    (3)
    Shall I create a setting with no pulldown but keep 23.98?

    Please advise!

    thanks so much
    Alla

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