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Olympics Editing (not FCP-X)
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Walter, the compound clip thingy sounds like it would work for me. But this is all pretty much off the original point of this sub-thread, which was discussing the Steve Connor claim that:
“The skimmer is simply the fastest way to get through lots of footage on any NLE that exists today.”
I’ve asked for backup on that claim and I don’t think from what I’ve read that it is justified. I hear you when you say the skimmer is an excellent feature, I don’t doubt that if I tried it I would come to love it, I just don’t think it justifies the claim that it is the fastest way to get thru lots of footage. I guess someone will have to set up a logging test between various apps to prove that point.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Yes, it’s designed differently. Isn’t that what the backlash is about?”
Jeremy,
Was there “backlash” in my post?
I was trying to articulate an underlying design approach – quite beyond semantics. Are you suggesting there is no difference, or that my characterization was wrong? Your post seems to confirm that FCPX is designed around what I’m calling “clip-based” editing. Or I’m misinterpreting your post.
[Jeremy Garchow] “There’s really no way to sort a mass of selects with the FCP7 bin structure …”
I could introduce you to Avid and FCP editors who “sort a mass of selects” in bins every day. I don’t work that way, though.
[Jeremy Garchow] “You simply cannot do this in FCP7 without stringing everything out in a sequence and then double clicking that sequence or moving back to that tab, then finding what you want, copy, move back to the other tab, paste, rinse repeat”
I’m not sure what you’re doing here, but this isn’t the way I work. But if it works for you …
Franz.
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[Herb Sevush] “I’ve asked for backup on that claim and I don’t think from what I’ve read that it is justified.”
Herb,
You didn’t see the chart.
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/40043#40069
Franz.
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[Steve Connor] “The claim is based on my 20 years of experience in editing as well as my year of actually editing on FCPX.”
Well Steve I’m not doubting your experience, talent or veracity and if you had labeled your statement in the subjective as in “in my opinion, in my experience, from what I’ve seen …” I wouldn’t have posted at all. Instead you chose to go the absolutest way – amplified by the phrase “is simply” – which implies an authority that neither you nor I posses. So while I’m somewhat cowed by your 20 years of experience, my 35 years will ask again how exactly is skimming a timeline in any other NLE slower than using a skimmer in X when it comes down to going thru tons of footage.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “I’ve asked for backup on that claim and I don’t think from what I’ve read that it is justified. I hear you when you say the skimmer is an excellent feature, I don’t doubt that if I tried it I would come to love it, I just don’t think it justifies the claim that it is the fastest way to get thru lots of footage. I guess someone will have to set up a logging test between various apps to prove that point.”
I can skim through every single frame of every single clip in my event without loading the clips into a viewer or using a keyboard modifier, how is there actually a faster way to look through footage?
Steve Connor
“The ripple command is just a workaround for not having a magnetic timelinel”
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[Steve Connor] “I can skim through every single frame of every single clip in my event without loading the clips into a viewer or using a keyboard modifier, how is there actually a faster way to look through footage?”
Don’t project your claims on to me, I never said there was a faster way, I merely said that others were equally as fast. Since it takes hours, if not days to go thru “tons of clips” and it takes about 5 seconds to put them into a timeline before viewing, the claim that X “is simply” the fastest way to go thru tons of footage based on the negation of 5 seconds over the work of days is absurd. If that’s it’s only advantage, then there is no advantage.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
[Herb Sevush] “”The skimmer is simply the fastest way to get through lots of footage on any NLE that exists today.”
I’ve asked for backup on that claim and I don’t think from what I’ve read that it is justified. I hear you when you say the skimmer is an excellent feature, I don’t doubt that if I tried it I would come to love it, I just don’t think it justifies the claim that it is the fastest way to get thru lots of footage. I guess someone will have to set up a logging test between various apps to prove that point.”
Fair. I like numbers, too, and I’ve given Mr. Hodgetts significant grief about substantiating his 400% claim — but realistically, unless Apple commissions one, no one will do a study to back up Steve’s tongue-in-cheek chart. Just an hour or two with the FCPX demo will let you see how the skimmer works.
Consider a couple points:
- FCPX performs better. I can skim a clip in FCPX more smoothly (read: with more visual feedback) than I can mouse-playhead-shuttle the same clip on the same machine in FCP7.
- FCPX eliminates clicks versus FCP7.
Whether you’re a Frederick Winslow Taylor and Frank Gilbreth fan or not, time and motion study demonstrably improved productivity, and FCPX’s small improvements to commonly-performed functions should result in overall time savings.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Walter Soyka] “Consider a couple points:
FCPX performs better. I can skim a clip in FCPX more smoothly (read: with more visual feedback) than I can mouse-playhead-shuttle the same clip on the same machine in FCP7.
FCPX eliminates clicks versus FCP7.
“Amongst other things it also eliminates the tedious business of gap deletion when using the ‘throw it all in a timeline” model.
Steve Connor
“The ripple command is just a workaround for not having a magnetic timelinel”
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “You didn’t see the chart.”
Ah yes, the chart. Now I understand. Apparently it is faster. My bad.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
[Herb Sevush] “I never said there was a faster way, I merely said that others were equally as fast. Since it takes hours, if not days to go thru “tons of clips” and it takes about 5 seconds to put them into a timeline before viewing, the claim that X “is simply” the fastest way to go thru tons of footage based on the negation of 5 seconds over the work of days is absurd. If that’s it’s only advantage, then there is no advantage.”
From my perspective, the advantage of the skimmer is not in the mechanics of preparing selects; it’s in shuttling through your selects while you’re working, looking for that specific moment that you remember seeing in the footage.
Maybe you don’t need the reminder, but when I was doing creative editorial every day, I was constantly scrubbing footage in my selects to jog my memory of what was available to me. I couldn’t keep all of the clips in my head to know precisely where the shot I wanted was in my project without those mini-reviews along the way. This is where I see the skimmer really shining.
It wouldn’t be helpful to me for my work now (finishing edits cut elsewhere or assembling animation/mograph edits), but I can see how this feature would have worked well for me a few years back.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events
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