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[Oliver Peters]

Here’s the Apple ProRes Raw white paper:

https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/docs/Apple_ProRes_RAW_White_Paper.pdf

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Craig Seeman]

Still not here
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202410
Wonderring why mentions of the ProRes variations relating to RAW don’t mention XQ.

[Michael Gissing]

ProResRAW as a camera format is very exciting. The data rate looks to be a bit under ProRes422HQ which means you can get slightly more on your cards but with RAW you can dig into the data and change things like ISO and color balance in post, get the full dynamic range unlike ProRes422HQ which is 10 bit.

This must be a camera originating format only so the other flavors of ProRes for finishing codecs remain important. It looks like the data compression may be higher than the current 4:1 cDNG that the Blackmagic cameras now shoot so if BM adopt this format, it will be very useful. If however it only works on a Mac with FCPX installed then I hope the industry avoid it as proprietary codecs are such a pain. Maybe we will see a DNxRAW next.

[Charlie Austin]

[Michael Gissing] “This must be a camera originating format only so the other flavors of ProRes for finishing codecs remain important”

From what I’ve heard, you can edit with these files just fine, no need to transcode.

[Michael Gissing] “If however it only works on a Mac with FCPX installed then I hope the industry avoid it as proprietary codecs are such a pain”

Think that’ll be the case for a while, but it’s just another ProRes flavor, and I’d imagine Apple wants people to use it, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see that change..

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[Shawn Miller]

[Michael Gissing] “ProResRAW as a camera format is very exciting. The data rate looks to be a bit under ProRes422HQ which means you can get slightly more on your cards but with RAW you can dig into the data and change things like ISO and color balance in post, get the full dynamic range unlike ProRes422HQ which is 10 bit.

This must be a camera originating format only so the other flavors of ProRes for finishing codecs remain important. It looks like the data compression may be higher than the current 4:1 cDNG that the Blackmagic cameras now shoot so if BM adopt this format, it will be very useful. If however it only works on a Mac with FCPX installed then I hope the industry avoid it as proprietary codecs are such a pain. Maybe we will see a DNxRAW next.”

After using Cineform RAW, I wondered for years why Apple and AVID didn’t develop raw versions of their codecs… it seemed like a no brainer, especially as camera capture formats. ProRes RAW sounds exciting, but I wouldn’t buy a camera or recorder that used it as the only means of raw video capture… I just don’t trust Apple to support it on Windows in the long run.

Shawn

[Michael Gissing]

[Charlie Austin] “From what I’ve heard, you can edit with these files just fine, no need to transcode.”

Yes like all RAW camera codecs there is no need to transcode. I edit with R3D and cDNG all the time but only a camera can record raw sensor data. That’s what I mean by camera originating. My final graded masterpieces however must be output in another format like the various ProRes or DNx mastering codecs.

Regarding Apple wanting to share their jewels, they must get Blackmagic and Arri onboard. If they allow them to use the codec then Win & Linux machines that run NLEs must be able to handle this codec to edit in the same way that they do now with all other flavors of ProRes. If not then Blackmagic won’t bother offering it on their cameras.

[Charlie Austin]

[Michael Gissing] “Yes like all RAW camera codecs there is no need to transcode. I edit with R3D and cDNG all the time but only a camera can record raw sensor data. That’s what I mean by camera originating. “

Gotcha…

[Michael Gissing] “Regarding Apple wanting to share their jewels, they must get Blackmagic and Arri onboard. If they allow them to use the codec then Win & Linux machines that run NLEs must be able to handle this codec to edit in the same way that they do now with all other flavors of ProRes”

Yeah, be interesting to see where they go with it.

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[Craig Seeman]

For today’s pointless prediction:

The new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K will support at least one flavor of ProRes RAW quite possibly eschewing cDNG. It makes sense given the limits to data rate BMD may have faced in doing a small 4K camera.

This will mean Resolve 15 will be previewed with ProRes RAW support or otherwise and update to 14 coming soon.

I just don’t see Apple introducing RAW without someone nearly ready to go with it. I can’t see Apple playing this alone.

It would certainly be interesting to see other camera manufacturers announcing implementation.
A wild card possibility could be Panasonic since event the GH5 series can already do 4K at 400mbps.

[Steve Connor]

[Craig Seeman] “For today’s pointless prediction:

The new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K will support at least one flavor of ProRes RAW quite possibly eschewing cDNG. It makes sense given the limits to data rate BMD may have faced in doing a small 4K camera.”

Sorry Craig, already made the same pointless prediction ☺

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/100858

I think Resolve 15 will almost definitely have ProRes RAW support

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