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NAB and FCP X
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Herb, have you looked at their Lightworks page?
https://www.lwks.comIt was fairly popular in Hollywood for a bit. Maybe not as big as Avid but there are not new by any means.
Obviously they’re aware that they faded and are working on that. Editshare acquired them in 2009. Now that there’s the beginnings of “Avid insecurity” they’re working on bringing back Lightworks, not as an NLE for sale but as a marketing tool… in the way Avid never used MC for Isis.
Read Lightworks history. It mentions a little of EditShare’s business strategy with it.
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[Craig Seeman] “Herb, have you looked at their Lightworks page?”
Craig I’ve been aware of Lightworks since they first came out. In those days they came out with a multicam model that was called Heavyworks. They were aimed squarely at the feature market with a special console that emulated a Steinbecks control surface. they never made a big inroad in NY and I never got a chance to play with one.
As for the Eduitshare / Lightworks page I’ve been a lurker there since the very first announcement. Even though it is not truly “open source” I am very interested in any company that bases their approach around user input and feedback.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “Even though it is not truly “open source” I am very interested in any company that bases their approach around user input and feedback.”
Yet they give it away for free. Of course nothing is ever truly free when coming from a for profit business.
In addition to the hardware it may be they’re working on some high priced specialized utilities that might once again appeal to the feature film market. Obviously that part (utilities) is highly speculative but it’s clear (to me) there’s a business motive involved and given EditShare’s product and Lightworks history one might at least guess what one of those markets is. -
Not only that, but back about 4 years ago (the 2nd year the Supermeet was at the Rio (next door to the exotic dancer convention!) Apple even had a table where Brian Meany and a few others from the dev team were interviewing editors and soliciting feedback. I know that those on-camera interviews got watched. So Apple has been listening for a long time about what various classes of editors want.
FWIW.Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Craig Seeman] “Avid is in a perpetual preservation mode and in the long term that doesn’t lead to growth or even survival especially when you consider their loses have been ongoing since 2006 and it’s now 2013.”
its an interesting prognostication on the Red shark rising again, but – as much as steve sees me as a man hell bent on throttling X for dark reasons,
you are… quite keen, yes.. yes actually quite quite keen indeed on foreseeing a very, very, very dim future for Avid mate.
this is bell you have rung quite a few times over the last two years Mr. Seeman.tell the truth now – they pranged your car one time right? 🙂
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Bill Davis] “Honestly the largest “issues” come from those who just can’t escape the very natural urge to view the new thing through the lens of the old thing.”
I agree that people need to approach new tools with virgin minds. My advice to someone learning a new NLE has always been to pretend that you’ve never used an NLE before. If you come at it with the attitude of, “Well in XYZ I always did it like this. Why doesn’t ABC do it like that too?” then you are sunk. I don’t see FCPX being any different in that regard other than that it was introduced with a lot of bagage (which we are all aware of so I won’t rehash it here).
Many people that aren’t keen on FCPX may have started out editing on film or tape-to-tape editing before moving on to (and most likely bouncing between) various NLE’s such as Media Composer, Media 100, Discreet Edit, Premiere, FCP Legend, Liquid, etc., so I’m skeptical that the largest issue is that old dogs can’t learn new tricks. Contributing factor? Of course, but there other things at play here as well.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “tell the truth now – they pranged your car one time right? :)”
Not just my car. They took a great NLE and slammed it head on into a brick wall and stalled it dead.
The wheels still spin but they can’t steer the thing worth a damn.I used it for more than a decade. Event trained people on it. Then away from it for more than a decade and it looks frozen in time. Looks like they added some new tail fins and shined up the headlights is all. OK maybe they rebuilt the engine but the frame is as old and battered as time itself and they can’t bare to replace the dial on the radio or replace the 8 track.
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[Craig Seeman] ” replace the 8 track.
“Yes, it would be nice if they could replace the 8 track, er 24 mono track limitation.
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[Marcus Moore] “You’re being facetious, of course,”
Not really. If tracks aren’t essential, why would the timeline be important? The only reason for its continued existence in FCX is that most editors can’t keep the whole project in their heads, and it would be a giant conceptual step forward if only those old tired methods weren’t so entrenched. It would be just as easy to make the order and connections in the browser (which becomes increasingly irrelevant as construction of the timeline-model progresses) and Play-Stop-Jog in a viewer would still work the way it usually does… I mean who cares how long the project is, you can see what is connected to what in/out in the new browser so all of that other stuff is just superfluous — it is what it is. Apple told us that, and that stacking tracks no longer makes sense, or that any of that has priority — and in fact the complaining is legion about having to “drill down” to see lower selections.
Think of the timeline as it currently exists as simply a larger graphical “Audition” and you will see that we really don’t even need it anymore. The ‘audition’ as a hidden, semi-nested sequence is actually a hint at what is to come.You may think this is ‘cracked’, but its visionary, the way most people think of the future before they’re ready for it. Right Bill?
jPo
“I always pass on free advice — its never of any use to me” Oscar Wilde.
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[Marcus Moore] “You’re being facetious,”
Bleh, I tripped the bad word filter in another post so it might not make it into this thread, but facetious? Not really.
How do you think we got by in the good old days of editing tape-to-tape, which I started doing in 1976, no Timecode. There was no timeline then, and its an invention of this NLE-editing model. I’d say its a crutch. Get rid of it. There is no reason why we can’t edit in the media browser. Its an AVID ability, but under-developed.
jPo
“I always pass on free advice — its never of any use to me” Oscar Wilde.
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