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Norman Black
July 10, 2015 at 4:08 pm[John Rofrano] “Once you use a Mac you’ll wonder how to tolerated Windows ineptness as an OS (sorry to preach but I couldn’t resist) ;-)”
Some cults must be more fun than others. Apple must have really tasty cookies at the gatherings. I wonder if those cookies have any secret ingredients.
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Wayne Waag
July 10, 2015 at 5:04 pmI wonder if those cookies have any secret ingredients.
Wouldn’t know, but you can be sure they’re proprietary.
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Bob Peterson
July 10, 2015 at 5:11 pmWhile restoration from the cloud sounds nice, this old PC user has seen a lot come and go. What happens when the cloud is hacked, as it will be, or when the server with your backup crashes and burns? There are all sorts of scenarios for what can happen to your data when it is sitting on someone else’s equipment. However, my guess is that you, as a cautious man, already has those bases covered.
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John Rofrano
July 10, 2015 at 7:36 pm[Bob Peterson] “While restoration from the cloud sounds nice, this old PC user has seen a lot come and go. What happens when the cloud is hacked, as it will be, or when the server with your backup crashes and burns?”
It’s not a backup from the cloud. Time Machine is backing up and restoring from a local disk. Only the OS is coming from the cloud and it’s pretty fast considering. I’ve used it when going from an HDD to SDD and it works quite well. Of course, after using a PC for 30+ years, I did waste most of my day the first time looking for how to obtain boot media until I realized that you didn’t need any! 😉
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John Rofrano
July 10, 2015 at 9:56 pm[Norman Black] “Some cults must be more fun than others. “
It’s just that you don’t know how bad you have it until you see how good it can be. When I started using my first Apple product and I went to configure my email and it asked for my email id and password and the next thing I know I was in my email! How could that be? Doesn’t it need to be configured first? How come it didn’t ask me what my SMTP servers was or my POP3 server, or if I wanted to use IMAP? Windows forces me to answer all of those questions before it can figure out how to talk to my mail server. Surely they must be important questions and everyone knows the answer to??? …apparently NOT! 🙂
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Bob Peterson
July 11, 2015 at 2:27 amSorry John, but I haven’t even thought about things like SMTP or POP3 since the days of 1800 baud modems. I would hate to think that your use of Windows had not advanced beyond that point. These days in Windows, you tell it to connect to a particular internet provider, and, with the correct ID and password, its done. Email is accessed through a browser, and Windows doesn’t have much to do with it. It’s even easier with a direct broadband connection. No fuss, no muss, no bother. Windows just does it.
If you are on Wifi, you need to learn to set your own encryption key. However, if Apple does not require the same thing, I would not trust the security at all. Only a foolish person leaves things at their default values. That is where I think Apple will get nailed one of these days. Hackers will slide through default values in security, and you will never know that they are there. I suspect most Apple users never even think about good security.
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Bob Peterson
July 11, 2015 at 2:38 amThen I don’t see the advantage. There are many products that do continuous backups. Personally, I am not concerned if the Win boot drive crashes. It is a simple matter to replace that drive, and reinstall Windows. All of my applications and data are located on other drives, and all of my data is backed up on secondary drives. The difference is that my machine is not bogged down doing continuous backups. I could run it that way, but I choose to avoid that overhead. I decide what and when to backup, and therein lies the difference between Apple and Windows. I make those decisions. The OS doesn’t force me into its mold.
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Stephen Mann
July 11, 2015 at 3:22 amWindows 10 will be “on the cloud” like the MAC O/S. Also, like the MAC, it will be locked to the PC. With current Windows discs, you can replace your whole PC and reinstall windows on the new one. Starting with Windows 10, if your PC dies, your license for Win10 also dies. You will have to buy another license.
I really wonder how outfits like Ziff-Davis (various tech magazines) or CPU Magazine will handle this. They build setups on the bench to run tests. They may go through multiple GPUs, multiple processors, different memory configurations, all of which may trigger a requirement for a new O/S license.
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Wayne Waag
July 11, 2015 at 4:35 am@Bob.
Agree completely. The whole Apple business model has been to make everything proprietary, so once you buy, you’re stuck. Rather than a $2 usb cable, it’s $10 for a lightning cable. There’s no USB on today’s Ipad’s unless you buy something else. The rumor has it that the new 13″ Ipad “may” have USB3.0. Granted, the products are very good so long as you’re willing to stay within their narrow confines and limitations. Having built my own systems for the last 15 years or so, I take some comfort that I know exactly what went into them and that I have options for changing at will.
Starting with Windows 10, if your PC dies, your license for Win10 also dies.
That’s been the case for a long time if you buy the OEM version of the software–the same as if you buy a complete system with the OS already installed. I can’t see that downloading the original OS from the Web would prevent you from making backups using Acronis and then being able to restore if there is a hard drive failure.
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