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Metaphors and terminology
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[Bill Davis] “So a feature like Match Frame has what I’d call an evolving constituency. In one group, it’s needed daily and absolutely mission critical. In another, it sits on the shelf most of the time.”
But isn’t that true of most edit functions? Sometimes I need to copy and move entire scenes within a timeline, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I need to color correct, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I need to nest timelines, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I need to export to multiple formats, sometimes I don’t. Other than the top 10 or so most essential commands for editing, everything else is dependent on the nature of what you are working on. So what’s the point?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “So what’s the point?”
Point is that in these discussion of Feature A – the thousands of eyeballs here can come away thinking – An experienced editors says Software Y doesn’t do FEATURE A the “right” way – that *must* be a problem.
Sure, sometimes it is. But often it isn’t. Particularly if the software does something functionally pretty close in a lot of cases that often meets the same or at least a similar need.
In this case, Match Frame and Reveal in Browser aren NOT the same – but they CAN often meet the same need with the same efficiency. Again, it depends on what you need. And probably what a particular editor is conditioned to thinking that they need.
Someone arguing that X’s Reveal in Browser is the SAME as traditional MatchFrame is clearly wrong. But someone thinking from a low information position that FCP X lacks the ability to do a large part of what Match Frame is useful for is ALSO wrong.
Damn nuances.
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[Tim Wilson] “David started a terrific thread in June 2014, FCPX Is Now A Universal Logging and Organizing Tool For Any NLE.
Is that still the case?
Anyone else using X this way?”
No, but it may very well be the best use for it of which I can think. 😉
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[Herb Sevush] “What doesn’t make sense is calling it an ”event” unless you’re a wedding videographer. “
An “event” is simply something of importance that happens at a given place or time.
Yes, a wedding is an “event” but so is the World Series game 7. Some might be less impressed by someone covering one rather than the other, but under the definition they are both events.
The Olympics is an “event”
If a player gets traded and and there is a press conference, that is an “event”
A bin is a name for a folder that holds footage from an event you covered. Apple just short cut it and called it the “event” itself.
I don’t really get the problem, because to me, Game 7 is seen by millions so it’s a bigger “event” than a person’s wedding.
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FCP X also has “folders”.
You can store many actual events and/or imports in one “Event”.
Events can get cluttered, though FC allows you to sort an Event in many useful ways.
Not sure what a Gear has to do with sorting things but Apple has been very consistent in its use among many different apps.
And the most recent add-on was the “Smart Collections” which breaks things down into different media types/components regardless of the Event they are stored in. That is useful!
“Smart” reminds me of the “Genius” Bar in Apple Stores. Hyped and condescending.
“Collections”, on the other hand, is truly intuitive.
FC’s Event is also a collection of media. And it could be quite a random collection of media.
The Icon for the smart collection looks like a folder. It’s one level down from the Library; yet, as far as I can tell, all other folders need to be inside an EVENT.FC refers to both “project” and “timeline” and I still don’t get the difference. Timeline to me is brilliant naming. I like that it is a standard. Standards are good. How convenient is it that all cameras use the same size threads to allow mounting on any type of support.
NLE’s are not unique in their lack of naming standards. Every digital device we use seems to reinvent the interface and its labels. Creating a constant learning curve.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Tony West] “A bin is a name for a folder that holds footage from an event you covered. Apple just short cut it and called it the “event” itself.
I don’t really get the problem,…”
There is no problem. There are people who have problems. And they only have problems because of an attachment to names they have used in the past. For new editors, event makes a lot more sense than bin. I like bin better than event because of my history (first few edits were on a flatbed), but I also know that times change and you have to adapt or be left behind. I’m not going to let a word get in the way of my using a better tool.
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[Tony West] “I don’t really get the problem, because to me, Game 7 is seen by millions so it’s a bigger “event” than a person’s wedding.”
What about a job that’s composed of stock footage and graphics – what “event” is that event? The concept of “bin” or “folder” includes everything, the concept of “event” includes a lot of things, but not everything. Why, when one is already an industry standard, would you opt to change to a newer term that is less accurate in some instances?
It’s not a deal breaker, but it’s annoying for no purpose. If it weren’t annoying, people wouldn’t still be complaining 5 years later. The fact that this thread exists is proof of the problem.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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I wasn’t so much thinking about FCPX’s internal names when I wrote the first post, but rather the general nature of current editing terminology. However, when you look at X’s naming in particular, I agree with whoever said it earlier, that it was simply adopted to be consistent with iMovie.
If you think about how consumers use iMovie and a person’s home movie organization, it is structured around “events” – birthdays, vacation trips, graduations, holidays, etc. In that, the term “event” is perfect. Remember that when we started going down this road, FCPX was bifurcated into two separate types of data files – events and projects. Once Apple integrated that into a common Library and used Event files like Avid uses Bin files (or how Avid and other NLEs use Bins within the interface), then the rationale behind why it is called an “event” no longer made sense.
I agree that a name is just a name, but trying to apply any sort of logic to why the term “event” is somehow correct, simply doesn’t work, IMHO.
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[Herb Sevush] ” it’s annoying for no purpose.”
I believe that their purpose was to change it to something that they thought was more descriptive to the younger generation. You feel that they missed in that attempt and I understand that, but that is not the same thing as them not having a purpose.
They had a purpose.
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[Oliver Peters] ” Once Apple integrated that into a common Library and used Event files like Avid uses Bin files (or how Avid and other NLEs use Bins within the interface), then the rationale behind why it is called an “event” no longer made sense.”
I partly agree with this Oliver because in a way it can seem redundant.
I think it depends on how you structure it.
If the Library is Blues 15-16 season
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one “event” is Blackhawks and the next one is Stars (being goals and hits and saves from those games) and so on with all the games, that makes perfect sense to me.[Oliver Peters] “If you think about how consumers use iMovie and a person’s home movie organization, it is structured around “events” – birthdays, vacation trips, graduations, holidays, etc. In that, the term “event” is perfect.”
This is why we are on different sides of it. As a person who covers sports and large scale live “event” we were using that term “before” iMovie” came along.
When “I” hear “The Main Event” I think of Floyd Mayweather’s fight or the top card. I don’t think about a kids birthday parties or trips.
We used that term before they did.
see below. Now I’m not saying Apple was thinking about Blues hockey when they changed that name, but I am saying that’s why it makes sense for me and I’m OK with it. And also I’m not going to see that word when I change it anyway to describe what it is.
You seem to be saying that “event” makes sense only to a person making a video about their trip, and not a person covering the NHL or concerts. I’m saying that’s wrong.
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