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Mac Pro Pricing
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But that’s the point. A fully spec’d out iMac is $3500 and it doesn’t come close to the specs of the new Mac Pro, which will be so current that it utilizes hardware that’s not even available yet on the market.
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[Dan Stewart] ” 2x firepros with 3gb each..”
I thought it was 6GB a piece for 12 total?
Also, aren’t these the OEM Firepros and not general consumption Firepros?
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[Dan Stewart] “Anyone care to price that as an equivalent Hackintosh box? “
2×6 core Xeons (2.5)
32 meg ram
Invidia Titan
960 GB SSD$7000 – from Pugent Sound, well known PC integrator.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/nav/genesis/II/customize.phpDIY probably 6 – 6.5K
But remeber most editors will have to add 1K for external Tblt to PCIe expansion case when buying the Tube. So if the base cost is equal, then the Hackintosh is already that much cheaper.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “But remeber most editors will have to add 1K for external Tblt to PCIe expansion case when buying the Tube. So if the base cost is equal, then the Hackintosh is already that much cheaper.”
I won’t and I’m not sure why you would unless you’re trying to use existing PCIe cards. So certainly not true for new workstations where you might just buy thunderbolt equivalents to PCIe cards anyways or get drive unit-based RAIDs where you don’t need a card.
I would not want the headache of a Hackintosh.
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[Brett Sherman] “I won’t and I’m not sure why you would unless you’re trying to use existing PCIe cards.”
Yes, I’m not interested in throwing out 10K worth of raids just yet.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Jeremy:
“I thought it was 6GB a piece for 12 total?Also, aren’t these the OEM Firepros and not general consumption Firepros?”
I originally thought it was a custom version of the AMD FirePro S10000 but that has a total of 6GB used by two GPUs in one card. Then others suggested it was two of the AMD FirePro W9000 which is a single GPU with up to 6GB. I have read Apple’c copy and looked at the WWDC presentation again and it does seem to say a GPU with up to 6 GB and the standard machine has two of them. To me that means a total of 12GB VRAM. Certainly the GPU is very custom as the published specs from Apple and AMD do not fit in any respect for either W9000 or S10000 except the reference to 6GB VRAM. And so we wait to find out more accurate information.
As for price of the entry-level: Apple has said even the entry-level is dual GPU and next generation Xeon so you won’t see an iMac Haswell i7 processor. The entry-level.will still be a step up from the high-end iMac in all respects with the possible exception of memory size, internal storage, and of course the lack of a screen. I imagine it will have one PCIe flash storage of 500GB with an upgrade to 1TB possible with 16GB RAM and a 6-core CPU. Would be better if it started with 1TB flash storage and 32GB RAM. Historically entry-level machines are designed to be low-priced more than ideally useful and Apple may continue that thinking even though the specs at the lowest end might disappoint. But it will let them say, “from $2,499.” Of course very few will buy without some BTO improvements to the entry-level. The beefier 12-core will begin at $3,499. The high end configuration will be $4,999.
Rick Lang
iMac 27” 2.8GHz i7 16GB
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[Gary Huff] “I don’t see Apple offering that configuration at all. If you’re going that low, you might as well get an iMac.”
Dual GPUs and two additional CPU cores would distinguish that configuration from the iMac pretty effectively. That’s not to say we’ll necessarily see it, of course.
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Gentlemen,
Even though I have retired from the biz, I still follow along with the technology
So here’s my two cents:
Apple appears to be changing their tune here about exactly what a
Professional level machine is. IE: From a fully integrated box
To a “Core” that will be customized with ad-ons so that the buyer can
configure the system to exactly what they want. Remember that video
Is not the only use for this product, there is 3D modeling, Print,
Photograpy and More. If I were a designer at any of the add-on companies
I would be burning the night designing a round expansion chassis that holds
Lets say 5 full length cards vertically as well as 8 drives that has enough
Heft for the New Mac Pro to sit on top of.. Then all you need is a nose cone
And you got a nice looking contraption.( Paint it like a Saturn 5)
What’s it worth to you to Show off your stuff?
Clients don’t really know too much about what you
Got running in the boxes But they will know if you don’t have the new
Round One. This is Show Business. Make a show of it.
I also get a kick out of the whole discussion and speculation about
The cost of this new machine. My question is,
If you are working professionally, If you make decent margins,
What difference does it make?
I have done the math for you
If you go out and purchase a new Mac Pro and a Shopping cart
Full of accessories and spend a total of, lets say 12,000
Then you short term finance it for 24 months (longer would not be smart)
At 7.5%, Zero Residual value It would cost a Whopping 540 bucks a month.
So once again, What difference does it make?
You gotta sell the SIZZLE a Little.
All these new fantastic tools are just plain cheap to anybody that knows
What a Quadra 950 running MC8000 was.
There are those who will say that financing is stupid and dangerous
What happens if this or that happens?
Well gents there are simply no guarantees in whatever you do, so
To them I say Match expense with Revenue. If the machine is going to
Make you money over time, Pay for it over time.
To those who say I’ve got this much invested in this Raid or that Card
I say, Spending money on this level of equipment should not be considered an Investment
But an ongoing expense, It’s not like a CD from the bank.
You have to have the mindset that,
No matter what you buy after two years it’s gonna be Land-fill -
[Rick Lang] “I originally thought it was a custom version of the AMD FirePro S10000 but that has a total of 6GB used by two GPUs in one card. Then others suggested it was two of the AMD FirePro W9000 which is a single GPU with up to 6GB. I have read Apple’c copy and looked at the WWDC presentation again and it does seem to say a GPU with up to 6 GB and the standard machine has two of them. To me that means a total of 12GB VRAM. Certainly the GPU is very custom as the published specs from Apple and AMD do not fit in any respect for either W9000 or S10000 except the reference to 6GB VRAM. And so we wait to find out more accurate information.”
If you look at this page, then look towards the bottom, you will see the desktop version, the mobile version, then the OEM version (called the A300 here).
https://www.fireprographics.com/adobe/index.asp
That seems to be what would be in the MacPro if it is a closed GPU system, right?
[Rick Lang] “As for price of the entry-level: Apple has said even the entry-level is dual GPU and next generation Xeon so you won’t see an iMac Haswell i7 processor. The entry-level.will still be a step up from the high-end iMac in all respects with the possible exception of memory size, internal storage, and of course the lack of a screen. I imagine it will have one PCIe flash storage of 500GB with an upgrade to 1TB possible with 16GB RAM and a 6-core CPU. Would be better if it started with 1TB flash storage and 32GB RAM. Historically entry-level machines are designed to be low-priced more than ideally useful and Apple may continue that thinking even though the specs at the lowest end might disappoint. But it will let them say, “from $2,499.” Of course very few will buy without some BTO improvements to the entry-level. The beefier 12-core will begin at $3,499. The high end configuration will be $4,999.”
Yes, depending on if you get third party RAM or not, my guess is that this machine, in a maxed out CPU/GPU config with third party RAM and perhaps third party PCIe boot drives will be just shy of $8000.
My guess is that they will have lower cores, and also lower VRAM options to knock down the price. I think you are spot on about the $2499 price as an entry point.
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Neil, I can tell you’ve retired from the biz because you have no idea how margins have shrunk. Whats the difference between spending 12K and 6K – well it’s $250/month which I would rather have in my pocket. There is no sizzle to sell, my clients have never even seen my editing room, most have never been to my office, but I’m supposed to dump 10K worth of PCIe raids and spend that amount plus another 12K to show off a sno-cone to clients who’s office is 200 miles away? Thanks for the advice, but no thanks.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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