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Looks like Quad G5 wasn’t that bad after all.
Alexander Serpico replied 19 years, 7 months ago 15 Members · 27 Replies
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Jeremy Garchow
August 10, 2006 at 1:55 pm[Bret Williams] “Avid already runs on Windows, does FCP?”
No! Thank the laudie. What a mess that would be.
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Walter Biscardi
August 10, 2006 at 2:09 pm[Bret Williams] “Avid already runs on Windows, does FCP? :)”
based on the hilarious WWDC keynote presentation, I’d say the only way it ever will would be for Redmond to do the copycat thing or simply do a complete purchase of Apple.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Ron James
August 10, 2006 at 4:13 pm[Danrnw] “As someone mentioned above, if you aren’t doing the offline/online thing,
then yes, FCP is a breeze.”God I hate these threads! We’re such a bunch of spoiled whiners these days. Man, I wake up everyday amazed at what I can do on my desktop computer, with Final Cut Studio in particular.
The majority of my work is offline to online, usually with more than 100 hours of material. I don’t think that’s ever a “breeze,” but I can do it with a minimum of problems. That’s because I almost know FCP inside and out. I’m also hired now and again to come into a project that’s been mangled by people who *don’t* know FCP. They try to use FCP like Avid and realize, when it’s too late, that FCP is *not* Avid.
My point is that FCP gets a bad rap mostly because of user-error/ignorance.
That’s just my opinion, though.
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Walter Biscardi
August 10, 2006 at 4:17 pm[reel2reel] “My point is that FCP gets a bad rap mostly because of user-error/ignorance.
That’s just my opinion, though.”
and I’ll second that.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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David Roth weiss
August 10, 2006 at 5:24 pm[reel2reel] “The majority of my work is offline to online, usually with more than 100 hours of material. I don’t think that’s ever a “breeze,”… My point is that FCP gets a bad rap mostly because of user-error/ignorance.”
I’d like to know what other systems you’ve used to online projects? I can assure you, onlining on Avid, Discreet Edit (which died five years ago), even the ancient D-Vision Pro is/was a breeze.
FCP’s implementation is at best inelegant, and at its worst, a royal pain in the ass. Sure, there may quite a bit of “user-error/ignorance,” for some reason even among many veteran video engineers with years of experience on all sorts of platforms. Why do you think that is? Do you think they buy FCP and suddenly become senile?
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Aaron Neitz
August 10, 2006 at 5:34 pmI’ll go further to say it’s not so much user igorance… but to do a proper online with FCP you really have to be a creative-workflow-jimmy-rigger and super quick on your technical feet. If i wasn’t such a tehcno-nerd I would never want to online with FCP.
Let’s hope this long dealay means a FCP6 will be a gem.
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Tom Matthies
August 10, 2006 at 6:49 pmI’ll chime in again here for a quick comment.FCP does indeed offer a lot of bang for the buck but it doesn’t do everything. I don’t have a problem with that however. I love FCP and would never want to go back to Avid again. What I do have a slight problem with, however, is Apple’s marketing claim that it WILL do everything a professional editing software needs to do. It may do most things well, but it does still have a few problem areas. If Apple would simply address these issues head-on and fix them, then we would truly have nothing to gripe about.
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Walter Biscardi
August 10, 2006 at 7:25 pm[Tom Matthies] “What I do have a slight problem with, however, is Apple’s marketing claim that it WILL do everything a professional editing software needs to do. It may do most things well, but it does still have a few problem areas.”
Well of course the marketing people are going to show you the moon and then tell the engineers to deliver it. Heck you see all those nice TV adds from Lowe’s Home Improvement showing those clean cut, professional guys in Lowe’s uniforms installing carpet and windows? Why don’t you call me later and ask me about our “real world” experience with their installation services, three weeks and counting. Point is, marketing is made to build the hype and they will always take creative licenses.
Final Cut Pro alone cannot do everything that needs to be done in a professional editing environment. Final Cut Pro, Final Touch HD, Motion, Photoshop and After Effects together provides everything that we need to do to deliver top quality broadcast material. I actually very much like that because FCP works seamlessly with everything mentioned and each tool brings their own expertise to the party.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Bob Flood
August 10, 2006 at 7:53 pmhey dan
as one of my collegues used to say “i hear ya cluckin big chicken!” 🙂
i have had to do a few “uprez edits” and i have found some things out that have helped:
1. if at all possible, dont do a low rez offline. its so much easier to just work with the footage at the final rez, and the cost of storage is low enough i do not think its a deal breaker. if you have to do the offline online route (in my case it was because the project started on a different machine at DV, but was being finished at DVCPROHD) here are some ways to avoid getting burned and or having to miss your kids birthday party:
2. when you are done working on a nested sequence, export it as a native QT, reimport it, and drop it in your timline In Place of the “nest result” (old media 100 trick) dont forget to include your nest sequences when you media manage. yeah you have to re export each one, but you are guaranteed it will work
3. always make stills from the source footage NOT from the timlline ie find the point on the timline you want to freeze, matchframe it into the viewer (f key) make the freeze (shift n) and cut it in. I have never had problems re doing my stills this way. The only gotcha is that i have to remove distort and scaling attributes to resize it from dv to hd. If your still is the result of a composite on your timeline, Nest the compoiste and make a still from that
4. never had a problem with speed changes. Did have problems with lack of pre roll on tape. Footage was captured as one long capture per tape, then cut into subclips for edit. Some of the camera starts were kinda tight to first action. had to recap manually,
hope this helps
bee eph
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Steve Connor
August 10, 2006 at 9:49 pm5.11 is meant to fixed a lot of problems with Media Management, has anyone tried it? or do all FCP users not bother with the online/offline workflow.
I’ve managed to avoid the media manager for the past couple of years but I have to online a project with it next week so I’ll be ineterested to see how it works, or not, as the case may be.
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