Live 4 Camera Shoot and Over Night Edit

[Tom Wolsky]

I don’t think you have any choice whatsoever. You have to switch it live and record mixed output live to disc. You don’t have time to lay down a multiclip and switch it.

All the best,

Tom

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Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop”

[David Bogie]

[Jon Collins] “The basic setup is going to be 4 cameras recording a 4hr conference and 2hr award ceremony and it has to be edited down to a 20 minute DVD overnight in just 4 hours.
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It’s impossible. Physically impossible.
the DVD itself will take about 20 minutes to encode and burn, say, 30, and you only get one shot. That’s insane.
If you record 4 hours of material and another 2 at the ceremony, how can re review 6 hours of material in 3 hours?
If you do isos, how will you review 24 hours of material in less than 3 hours?
You must do a live switch to tape for backup. You must do live switch into the Mac and hope nothing happens. You will need at least two people watching the show very carefully for the highlights and doing scrupulous timecode notes.
when you hack it up in FCP you will have only one shot to record out to DVD. Get a DVD recorder from Costco.

Prebuild all of your graphics, you will have zero time for them. There will be no supers, you do not have time to render them.

I say, run away! This project is doomed and you will destroy your relationship with the client.

bogiesan

[Jan Miltenburg]

There is a solution.
Recently i had a demo of livecut in combination with Pipeline.
Capturing live switching with seperate iso in a FCP project.
If you google Livecut you wil find it.
It was an eye opener.
Succes
jan

[Sean Oneil]

I think you’re crazy for even thinking about this.

Sean

[Jon Collins]

Thanks for all your feedback, some of it I find some what amusing!

As it goes its not really in our interest to say no we can’t do it but we can charge accordingly to get the job done.

In regards to Livecut, I don’t understand what it offers that FCP 6 doesn’t as as far as I understood thats exactly what the multi-cam feature does in FCP directly. Am I wrong in thinking this?

Basically we’ll know what we’re going to put on the DVD before hand through watching rehearsals but the idea of logging it during the actual show is a very good idea.

So if we have good logging notes, know pretty much what bits we’re going to use and have it all mixed live; what is the over all problem that makes this project doomed?

Thanks for all your feedback!

Cheers,
Jon

[Jan Miltenburg]

Jon,

The advantage of livecut in combination with pipeline is that during the recording of the show in FCP you can start editing. All the cuts you make on the liveswitcher are shown as individual cuts in FCP.
So you see a complete timeline with al the cuts you made.
In combination with pipeline you can also record the camera’s iso.
When you need to mak a shot longer or replace with an other camera it is easily done.

Another solution is just to use one pipeline unit wich will transfer the live signal in FCP and during the show/ recording you can start editing wich means that you win some time.

Jan

[Jon Collins]

OK I see, Pipeline looks like a reasonable solution.

The main issue with using Livecut though, is that it was developed for FCP 4.5 which didn’t have m ulticam support and I don’t think is compatible with FCP 6 which has its own multicam support.

As it happens we did this job before but had 3 days to edit in. I did record one of the ISO’s directly into FCP using the Capture Now feature straight onto a hard drive to speed things up which I could then go through with the client straight after the event and start editing without needing a Pipeline unit.

Cheers,
Jon

[David Bogie]

You’re THAT hungry?

> As it goes its not really in our interest to say no we can’t do it but we can charge accordingly to get the job done. <

You cannot charge anything if you screw it up.

I look at a project like this and see only a long list of things that can go wrong; I see no upside at all.

We wish you all kinds of luck hope for the best.

I hope you will come back and tell us how you pulled it off and offer some useful advice for future inquiries.

bogiesan

[Jon Collins]

yes but everything comes at a price…

We have ample pre-production time to plan it, we can put as many editors/directors on it as it needs and we can make necessary equipment upgrades.

After the 4 hour conference we have 8 hours till the deadline to start working. From the 2 hour awards ceremony we are going to use just 2/3 different awards which isn’t too much extra work.

So what are these big problems going to be?

Cheers,
Jon

[Sean Oneil]

[Jon Collins] “So what are these big problems going to be?”

Have you ever seen a computer crash? That.

Sean