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We’re only talking about the render files that would arise from cutting promos, so minutes not hours, no? The 50TB of source material should go right on living on spinning disks. You could put your Projects and Events databases on an SSD and your media on your Glyphs. You might need to clean up your renders after a while, but that only takes a few clicks per project.
Remember, with FCPX the Events database is stored independently from Projects, and neither needs to live with the media (though if you choose to “optimize” and make ProRes out of everything, that will always live aside the Events database file). Even with all the various promos you’re making, there is no reason you couldn’t host the databases and renders on a single $400ish 240GB SSD and keep all the big data on the big RAIDs.
I should also point out that ideally you want the SSD installed internally, not in an external case. The low latency advantages of the SSD are going to take a hit hanging off a USB or FireWire bus. Unless you have one of the newest Thunderbolt Macs, you can also skip the more expensive 6G SSDs since you don’t have the 6G SATA bus to take advantage of them.
Incidentally, I highly recommend using an SSD for your boot drive. The difference in overall system responsiveness is very noticeable. It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.
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[Andrew Richards] “It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.”
“Ferris, he never drives it. He just rubs it with a diaper.”
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I would imagine that multicam will get handled with some sort of compound clip (just a guess) that this will need to handled/addressed.
I am away from FCPX at the moment, but…
What happens of compound clips are made in the event? Does the event bloat?
What happens if you quit FCPX and reopen, does the bloat remain?
It’s no so much the size of the projects that worry me, it’s performance.
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“Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism’s in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, “I don’t believe in Beatles, I just believe in me.” Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I’d still have to bum rides off people.”
“He’ll keep calling me, he’ll keep calling me until I come over. He’ll make me feel guilty. This is uh… This is ridiculous, ok I’ll go, I’ll go, I’ll go, I’ll go, I’ll go. What – I’LL GO. Shit.”
“So THAT’s how it is in their family… ”
and finally
“Cameron has never been in love – at least, nobody’s ever been in love with him. If things don’t change for him, he’s gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she’s gonna treat him like shit, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won’t respect him, ’cause you can’t respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn’t work.”
Which I believe bears some analogy to our relationship with Apple.
Just sayin.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Andrew Richards] “We’re only talking about the render files that would arise from cutting promos, so minutes not hours, no? The 50TB of source material should go right on living on spinning disks.”
Sorry, Andrew. I don’t think you understand the industrial aspect of a project like this. It is a bit more complicated than you are imagining. In some cases, you can actually end up with more promo material–in terms of aggragate length–than the source material, itself. Every once in a while it doubles. Because of a multitude of delivery variations (1-5 promo length variations, HD, SD, PAL, NTSC, and usually 6-8 different VO versions of each length version) each episode generates between ten and ninety minutes of finished rendered video (not including any of the renders to get there). A typical broadcast season is 22 episodes. Each season can add an hour or more of rendered specialty items. Most projects are multiple seasons. All of this needs to be online at all times, and, once finished, the project needs to be stored offline for–typically–six months, though sometimes longer.
Now, in FCP 7 when I make six copies of a :30 timeline to change out VO and end plates (Next, Next Thursday, Tonight, etc.) only the changes require additional drive space, as everything indexes back to renders they all share. Is this the case in X?
[Andrew Richards] “Even with all the various promos you’re making, there is no reason you couldn’t host the databases and renders on a single $400ish 240GB SSD”
Does that still seem true to you? I really don’t understand the under-workings of X’s event/render/project file, but if I’ve read this thread correctly, It seems to me I’m building a lot of baggage.
[Andrew Richards] “I should also point out that ideally you want the SSD installed internally, not in an external case. The low latency advantages of the SSD are going to take a hit hanging off a USB or FireWire bus.”
Well, that’s a pretty big “duh,” but I guess you never know who you are talking too. I’m eSata RAID off of my eight core, which does just fine for my current needs.
[Andrew Richards] “Unless you have one of the newest Thunderbolt Macs, you can also skip the more expensive 6G SSDs since you don’t have the 6G SATA bus to take advantage of them.”
Well, lets see if that ends up on the next eight or twelve core. If–I guess–there is one. This would be a good year to add to the collection, but so far, no TBolt Mac Pro. And, for the first time in a long time, I’m wondering about HP or Dell.
[Andrew Richards] “Incidentally, I highly recommend using an SSD for your boot drive. The difference in overall system responsiveness is very noticeable. It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.
“Yeah. I thought about that a little. Frankly, though, I like a beefier boot drive in terms of size. With enough RAM and the right kind of video card, I’m not sure you get much past a faster boot. I don’t notice a whole lot of sluggishness on my system. I suppose I could do it only laptop sometime, but again, I think I’d choose the space.
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[Chris Harlan] “Now, in FCP 7 when I make six copies of a :30 timeline to change out VO and end plates (Next, Next Thursday, Tonight, etc.) only the changes require additional drive space, as everything indexes back to renders they all share. Is this the case in X?”
This is where the Audition feature can be used in fcpx. One sequence, different outs per audition. Instead of switching sequences, you switch audition clips. Yeah, it’s a different way of thinking. Only what changes is what is rendered.
If you dupe a project in X, it dupes render files, too. I should say that you have the option to dupe render files or not. That means 3 minutes of final rendered video, which is 5ish Gigs or so in HQ hd.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “This is where the Audition feature can be used in fcpx. One sequence, different outs per audition.”
Yeah, I definately keep thinking about the audition feature and how I might apply it for my work. In this case, it would work fine if my delivery is individual files–which it often is–but not well if I need to deliver a string out. I actually think that audition’s functions–if I understand them correctly–could save me much time across an entire series, so I AM interested in that. I’ll pose that as a seperate question–the ins/outs, plus/minus of Audition–next time there is a lull.
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