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Just A Quick Question
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dont really get the name change tbh. Seems like what we have is appropriate for the discussion at hand.
Does this mean that we cant compare FCPX to other NLE’s anymore or is the name change just a name and out topics can stay the same?
Also for a forum about to be named apple talk – not on post yet about new Mac Mini’s, Air’s etc today?
Maybe we dont need a forum at all.
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[Bob Zelin] ” Reddit appears to be flooded with those types of users, and not professionals asking professional questions. “
You may be right and you raise a good question. I don’t personally use Reddit for anything related to my profession..
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[Neil Goodman] “dont really get the name change tbh. Seems like what we have is appropriate for the discussion at hand.”
It’s a recognition that FCP 10 has matured and there is no longer a need to debate its place among professional NLEs… the current name no longer applies. However, a more appropriate name like, “NLEs, the Debate” would probably be better than “Apple Talk” and could continue to supply endless hours of opinionated chatter, along with the occasional gem of insight into all things editing.
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[James Culbertson] “It’s a recognition that FCP 10 has matured and there is no longer a need to debate its place among professional NLEs… the current name no longer applies.”
Yes, and some more.
Debate is out. No more debates, period. The “There Can Be Only One” ship sailed long ago. Most people use more than one, and even if someone prefers one, it’s not a debate. It’s a preference.
More broadly, in the spirit of allowing debate, we also allowed a far longer leash here than was appropriate to the heritage of our site. Creative COW is a HELP site, not fight club. Yes, the broader parameters here have extended well beyond help, but they went too far. Anyone who wants a debate from here on is going to have to go somewhere else.
That said, also speaking broadly, we’ve always wanted to have a forum where pretty much up everything was up for conversation, and this was as close as we’ve come.
[Scott Witthaus] “[Michael Gissing] ” that name was rejected and numerous more appropriate names were proposed. ”
And I guess ignored?”
That’s not fair at all. We’ve never commented on every single thread about the name of the forum (there’s typically a couple per year), but we listen, and indeed, we’ve changed the forum’s name multiple times as a result.
Even if we go another way, or indeed stick with Apple Talk, it won’t be because we’ve ignored anyone. We talk about this stuff constantly, which is after the first six names, plus the next one, there will surely be more.
I’ll say that while I’m currently disinclined to go with Apple Talk, I haven’t heard the right one yet, and underscore again that it won’t have Debate in the name. Conversation, yes. Compare/contrast, yes. Energetic engagement, yes.
Debate, no. Be nice. You have been warned. ????
But I feel like you guys are being intentionally disingenuous about Apple Talk being so far off the mark. The longest threads here have been FCPX threads, for sure, plus some good comparison threads, and a couple of long ones about approaches to editing, and yeah, a couple of Adobe ones — so far, so good — but after that, they’re virtually ALL about Apple, and you know it. YOU KNOW IT.
I don’t get why you’re making me go through this, but I’m going to do it anyway. Just from the past year or two:
iMac Pro or next year’s Mac Pro? 147 posts
Apple drops ProApps from corporate definition 129 posts
A Bridge Too Far (about Apple’s approach to updates) 123 posts
wwdc 86 posts
RED 8k camera, a sign of things to come from apple? 74 posts
So, about that Apple event…. 74 posts
Lightworks Mac public beta (I’m including this because no Mac, no story) 93 posts
Randy Ubillos retires from Apple 69 posts
Reactions to today’s Apple Event 69 posts
Will FCX be around for a while? (Definitely talking about APPLE on this thread, not fcpx per se) 65 posts
Apple apparently keeps stumbling it’s way to success, somehow ???? 63 posts
1,000 days since the last Mac Pro update 57 posts
The new Mac Pro VS MSI? 57 posts (although I’m thinking about killing a few posts on this thread.) ????
iMac Pro 12/14 56 posts
Apple, FCPX and Secrecy (again, about APPLE, not fcpx per se) 56 posts
Waiting for Apple again. And again. And again … 55 posts
The Verge Explains Apple Photos 54 posts
The iMac Pro Looks Interesting 53 posts
Apple and the relentless pursuit of excellence … 42 posts
Apple is getting ready for the new MacPros? 40 postsPlus gazillions of shorter ones, pasted in no particular order:
2013 Franken Mac Pro Tube
Apple to Ditch Intel?
A depressing visit to the Apple Store
17 Quad iMac to Octo Core iMac Pro
nMP or iMac for 4K
Apple and Thunderbolt 3
iPad vs. Surface Pro
iMac Pro vs PC performance
Hackintosh
NVIDIA and Macs again someday?
Is anyone ready for Thunderbolt 3?
OT – is the “new” Mac Pro a failure (gotta love that “OT”)
2016 MacBook / Pro
Monitoring out with new Mac Pro?
Apple’s latest innovation
Why no iOS control surface app?
2013 nMac Pro with eGPU?
27/30″ monitors for new Mac Pro (w/ D700s)?
The sad state of Macintosh hardware
New tube / no tube….
New tube?
30th Anniversary of Mac film shot entirely on iPhones
Mac Pro- Ars Technica review
Questions to those considering the new Mac Pro
Apple’s slapdash approach to image processing
Prores delivery
Apple patents 3D editing
Geekbench of 4 core Mac Pro
Race against the phones
Keeping the old Mac Pro breathingThis is barely scratching the surface AND YOU KNOW IT.
So make all the jokes you want, I can take it, but please don’t act like we haven’t in fact gone through the entire 7 year history of the forum and counted all these up, because we have.
Which is to say again, we ignore NOTHING. Even when we wish we could. ????
In the end, though, I’d rather talk about fruit than debate anything, so maybe that’s reason enough to stick with Apple Talk.
I’ll start another thread on the forum name, as well as provide an update on our development progress. I’ll also make some other replies to other topics on this thread, a number of which have been very much on my mind….
More soon,
Yr pal.
Timmy
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Tim,
I am perfectly fine with the word debate being left out of the forum name. I sincerely hope I did not stir up a hornets nest with my previous comments.
Here are some other names I have thought about:
NLE Talk
The Editors Lounge
The Post LoungeI will participate in whatever the new forum is. The last thing I want to see is another fight club. The noise level in here has been deafening at times. Regardless of what direction this and other forums go in my goal is to help others not be part of the problem. I need to be more active in this and other forums. I am going to take a break for a few days from here.
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[Tim Wilson] “I’ll start another thread on the forum name,”
Please no!! at this rate you may as well start a separate forum called “what shall we call the former Apple Final Cut Pro X forum”
Just call it “Dave” and be done with it! People are being waaaay to sensitive about the name!
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Name aside, the forum has lost steam as to be expected. It’s like a great television series, no matter how good it is, it can only go so far.
The passion that fueled the forum was born out of the early anger and frustration and that’s not something that is sustainable over the long term. Many of the posters have moved on.
I found it a pleasant distraction from the craziness in the news and enjoyed reading some of the post.
It was lightning in a bottle for the Cow and unique for that stretch.
I don’t expect to see it again anytime soon. No matter the name.
“You gotta keep the devil way down in the hole”
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I believe that the reason some have left was due to the noise level and I agree that one word needs to be left out of the new forum name. The issue was that some of the “debates” were more like a civil war. A distraction from the insanity of the real world is nice until someone gets thrown under the bus. Yes, there are some posters in here who think they are cute by giving others a hard time. It does not always turn out well.
There is one Adobe forum that is no more. That debate has been settled years ago. It is time to move on. The last thing I want to see on here is food fights and degrading remarks. If anyone wants to see that then they should watch politics. By the way, I saw some very ugly remarks in a Facebook group once. Someone kept saying use Fusion in The Foundry Nuke group. That same person made disparaging remarks about people from another nation. That person has since been banned and their garbage remarks were deleted. I even had to deal with a troll in another group and nearly had to ban them.
As much as I want to see this forum thrive I want to see quality content not food fights.
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[David Mathis] “There is one Adobe forum that is no more. That debate has been settled years ago. “
I agree with David’s thoughts. There are some challenging issues ahead for the Cow community. In a short amount of time, the Facebook forums have become very robust in membership and activity. The Facebook platform is also better suited for quick and easy response. The Facebook groups also have a nice distinction that there’s very little debate and instead most conversation is solution or advice oriented with very little trolling.
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[greg janza] ” The Facebook groups also have a nice distinction that there’s very little debate and instead most conversation is solution or advice oriented with very little trolling.”
And the same questions being asked over and over and over again!!
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