-
It’s time to get over this and move along
-
Yes, things have come a long way from the $60K Avid and thousands to upgrade each time. One can own all the major NLEs for a lot less than an Avid upgrade used to cost.
-
First of all Craig, frankly, my opinion is the only one that means anything to me at this point. I use to be married, and then I didn’t have any opinion :)) It was always given to me.
If you love FCPX, great. I’m thrilled for you. Use it, make money with it. That’s great. So much of what I read these days are people “waiting” for the next upgrade, or more recently, asking for features to be returned.
Now, I don’t know about you, but I waited for a meaningful update from apple on FCP7. In fact, I waited for the same 2 plus years we all did. When Adobe introduced Premiere Pro CS 5.0, the power and real time attracted me to it, but being a loyal fan of FCP, I said to myself, No, Darren, don’t make the move. Adobe has shown what our new computers could do. Apple will be even more impressive as they rewrite FCP7. That same 2 year wait was also for a more up to date MacPro.
Apple makes a big deal in April at the WWFCUG meeting. They kept it close to their chests, but still it looked like new features were going to be great. Then, it’s released. Nothing. The majority of users, guys like me who make a living doing this looked at what they released and just said why?
Since then, the users have split into two camps. Those who stay and wait for the future to some and those who make their own futures, and make a jump to something that is more compatible with the way they think, and have operated for years. And guess what, they both have more real time power, etc.
Like I said. If you’re happy and you know it, clap your hands. I’m not doing it for CFPX.
Good Luck
-
It’s not like Apple have ever expressed that they were listening? When did you ever see Apple say, gee, you’re right. We should listen to the consumer.
Hasn’t happened, WOn’t happen.
As I have said in other posts. Why wait for a future that may never some. Make your own.
DBK
-
None of what you say points to “no future” as you yourself state that one camp sees a possible future. There’s also a third camp. People who are using it now to make money professionally. Some even in broadcast. There’s future for FCPX even if you choose not to participate in it.
-
Craig,
Fact: Apple is promising a few missing features.
Fact: Apple has stated they are going to let 3rd party developers develop most of the solutions(plugins)
Fact: Apple has not promised to make FCPX into a full NLE .How do you define future? It is obviously not the same way I do.
Future is what I see Adobe doing. Even Avid. Commitment is also being shown. Apple is making vague statements.
Why you choose to use a crippled Beta release of software is your decision. I’m not interested. Now in 4-5 years Apple releases the most amazing production suite the world has seen, I can move back.
I’m done with this thread. I think it’s own future is not promising :))
DBK
-
[Darren Kelly] “Fact: Apple has not promised to make FCPX into a full NLE .”
Not a fact since “full NLE” doesn’t have a technical definition. What is “full” depends on how one looks at things. Some may find a modular approach more flexible if that’s what you mean by not promised to make full.
[Darren Kelly] “Future is what I see Adobe doing. Even Avid. Commitment is also being shown. Apple is making vague statements.”
Apple’s statements haven’t been vague. XML has happened. Multicam and Broadcast monitoring have been promised. They may not be providing copious details on everything but that’s not “vague.” They either promise something or say nothing regarding certain parts of the road map. That’s Apple’s marketing and public relations but as distasteful that may be to some, they’ve made statements and have kept to them.
[Darren Kelly] “Why you choose to use a crippled Beta release of software is your decision.”
It does some things very well that, IMHO can’t yet be matched by other NLEs. Personally I think keyword collections and smart collections are more flexible than any other form of organizing in an NLE.
[Darren Kelly] “Now in 4-5 years Apple releases the most amazing production suite the world has seen, I can move back.”
As is the case with any NLE. That would mean though that there is a future. The only “no future” is an EOL product. FCP legacy has no future. Discreet Edit* has no future. FCPX has a future. Apple is developing it. Apple’s method of distribution allows for more significant upgrades in shorter periods compared to the development cycle of other NLEs. What it does mean is that Apple’s updates may be piecemeal rather than waiting 18 months for an “all rolled into one” upgrade. Nothing in this points to anything that resembles “no future.” Even “unhappy with its current state” does not equal “no future.” Words have meaning. It’s current state hasn’t ended its future. It’s not dead no matter how much you dislike it.
-
I don’t see a future in it either. But I don’t think, yet, it’s time to ring the bell…
The one thing this luddite doesn’t get is, even if it had a friendlier bridge, a contrived multicam effort, an advanced grader, better audio capabilities…do legacy NLE editors actually enjoy using this turkey?
FC7 wasn’t perfect by any stretch, but the canvas was so flexible, so user friendly, so easy to manipulate on so many levels, to my mind, being boxed into an environment with so many limitations, even if you get out the door in 3mins instead of 7, how can anyone enjoy working from a transient process to a padded cell.
After a week forcing a project into it, I needed to be put in a straight jacket and medicated…
Adobe bugs me, but it at least has 90% customization of what FC7 had. X isn’t even in the ballpark…it’s so myopic.
-
[Jamie Franklin] “do legacy NLE editors actually enjoy using this turkey?”
I’ve been editing since 1980 and I enjoy it. I’ve wanted an improved track paradigm since using Avid 1990. This turkey is my thanks giving.
I think a better bird analogy is Hans Christian Andersen’s “The Ugly Duckling.” We know how that ended. I see a Swan in there.
-
[Darren Kelly] “Fact: Apple is promising a few missing features.
Fact: Apple has stated they are going to let 3rd party developers develop most of the solutions(plugins)
Fact: Apple has not promised to make FCPX into a full NLE .”Darren, I think there’s one thing that is a “fact” when drawing any opinion regarding X and that fact is – all programs evolve from their initial release.
Perhaps another useful fact in making long term predictions is the time and money that goes into developing a major new app.
Given those two actual facts, it seems logical that X isn’t dead and done on as you suggest in your initial post. History and experience would strongly suggest that rather than a dead end, FCP X is at the beginning of a well invested road.
The relevant questions are: Can you work with it now? and if not, Are you prepared to follow it’s growth as a future app?
Absolute statements never seem to work out in the end.
-
I for one will not believe FCP X is dead until I see for myself the last spade of earth cast on its grave. Which is why I hang around. As much as I don’t like many things about it (and there are some things I really do like about it) I cannot shake the feeling that someone out there – in the not so distant future – is going to be willing to pay me to know how to use it. Considering Apple’s position in the wider marketplace I think FCP X will be dead when Apple decides it’s dead. Probably not before.
bigpine
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up