It. Will. Never. Ever. Die.

[David Lawrence]

[Steve Connor] “What if they don’t change the model just the cost?”

The problem is exit strategy, not cost. Tweaking the price isn’t enough.

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[Steve Connor]

[David Lawrence] “[Steve Connor] “What if they don’t change the model just the cost?”

The problem is exit strategy, not cost. Tweaking the price isn’t enough.”

So what if they don’t offer one? hard to believe they won’t but it’s certainly a possibility

Steve Connor

There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum

[Aindreas Gallagher]

hard to say – if they’re going to do anything you’d think they’ll do it in the first two quarters of this year. Past that they’re probably over two million and they might just try to run all the way to the end of 2015 and see about getting 3.5 to 4 million subscribers they forecast – on current terms.

Photoshop and AE are effectively feature complete at CS6 and I own that. Although if something like the warp stabiliser or the 3D camera tracker turned up in AE that would complicate things.

It’s really Premiere – the consensus seems to be if FCP installs don’t turn into Avid installs, they’ll turn into premiere installs. That is presuming FCP7 ever dies.

If they really look like they’re hellbent on it I’d maybe start a single app subscription for premiere later this year.

that said I’d be extremely nervous getting into bed with CC on any level. they are reports everywhere of it interfering with CS6 installs – and the CC apps themselves can be extremely temperamental.

I wouldn’t feel at all good getting into it. Also the support is beyond a bad joke. Its pretty obvious they are running it as a non-existent service.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[David Lawrence]

[Steve Connor] “So what if they don’t offer one? hard to believe they won’t but it’s certainly a possibility”

I figure Pr CS6 will work for me for at least two more years. By then it’ll be 2016 and the real CC numbers will be in. Even if Adobe hits their 2016 subscriber targets (a pretty steep bar IMHO), they’re still way behind in revenue. They can’t keep bleeding money forever. So once they the natural ceiling on subscriptions, how will they increase revenue?

1) They can raise prices on existing subscribers.
2) They can do fire sale give aways to try to lock in new subscribers.
3) They can try win back millions of customers like myself who refuse to rent software.

Maybe they’ll do some combination of the above. I’m willing to wait and see. It’s absurdly easy for them to fix this once they decide they want to.

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[Dave Gage]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “Also the support is beyond a bad joke. Its pretty obvious they are running it as a non-existent service.”

That’s been my experience with the Adobe Connect support. I thought T-Mobile support was the worst, not anymore. Escalating doesn’t seem to help much either.

…and my credit card info got stolen because of them. I got a letter that stated that fact with no apology present or “hey, how about a couple of free months.”

[Mitch Ives]

[David Lawrence] “Premiere Pro CS6. I really like Premiere Pro CC but I won’t rent my everyday tools.”

You’re a member of a very large club…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Walter Soyka]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “Photoshop and AE are effectively feature complete at CS6 and I own that. Although if something like the warp stabiliser or the 3D camera tracker turned up in AE that would complicate things.”

Ae CC has a couple big features as well as a lot of little features that are huge improvements over CS6 for everyday users: C4D Lite and CINEWARE, Refine Edge and Refine Soft Matte, improvements to the Warp Stabilizer, the mask tracker, detail-preserving upscale, property linking, snapping to layer features, spring-loaded folders, automatic creation of folders for image sequences.

Ae is 20 years old and it’s pretty mature, but development is still very active.

Walter Soyka
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[Aindreas Gallagher]

Hey Walter, yes i know about the stuff you referenced, I follow AE pretty closely – I just don’t care about them. Not the way I care about the warp stabilizer and the 3d camera tracker.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Craig Alan]

Really bad in Ed circles cause there is never a sure thing about funding or when or if it will be approved. So all of a sudden you can’t operate your post lab cause the rent wasn’t paid? Apple had a yearly plan for all their software for ed but you got to keep your last version and when you paid the rent again the renewal was backdated to when they were due or if too much time had past you paid the 10% first time fee again. It worked well when there was a major upgrade that others had to pay for in mid-year. Since apple stopped charging for the updates they owe us a refund pro rated to when they stopped charging. Really they should have refunded the whole amount since i didn’t gamble on getting updated for 1/2 year. But the point is that is one rental model.

I understand Apple wanting every one to have the latest version software that will only run on the newer computers since they sell computers. What’s Adobe’s logic?

I think it would be very enticing to buy the lasted version with a bonus of free upgrades for a year. Maybe a discount if you sign up in advance. And if people keep using their software they get what they get now. If folks want to opt out they are free to and keep their last version.

Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Camcorders: Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV30/40, Sony Z7U, VX2000, PD170; FCP 6 certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.

[Gary Huff]

[Craig Alan] “So all of a sudden you can’t operate your post lab cause the rent wasn’t paid?”

If you couldn’t pay the “software” rent, does that mean you also couldn’t pay the electricity? Can’t run your post house if your power is turned off.