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It is time to change the title of this forum.
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[Walter Soyka] “In my mind, the “Or Not” is not derogatory toward FCPX; “
[Andy Branner] “Of course not.”
Sigh.
How about this: I don’t think the “Or Not” was intended to be derogatory to FCPX. It was just meant as the recognition that FCPX is unique and a totally different thing than FCP7 was.
From another point of view, “Or Not” gives short shrift to the big differences between apps like Premiere, Smoke, Vegas, Edius, and Lightworks by lumping them altogether. Maybe how you read “Or Not” really depends on which way your paranoia leans.
Do I think the “Or Not” is important? No. “Apple FCPX: The Debate” would work, too. Do I think it’s insulting? No.
[Andy Branner] “I on the other hand would say the “Betteridge Law of Headlines” applies perfectly. “This [forum title] is a great demonstration of my maxim that any [forum title] which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word “no.” The reason why journalists use that style of headline is that they know the story is probably bullshit, and don’t actually have the sources and facts to back it up, but still want to run it.””
Yet another fascinating digression. I recall from our previous encounter that you fancy yourself a logician, so I’m curious to hear how you interpret “No” as the answer to an OR question.
FCPX has some great new ideas, and in implementing them, it left some great old ideas behind. FCPX rocks in some workflows, but it’s not the best choice for others. Exploring the nuances therein are what this forum is all about.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Andy Branner] “WOW.
Someone ACTUALLY quoting that painfully ignorant drivel as some sort of “authority” on the subject??!
Just plain flabbergasting.
“Crazier things have happened.
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[Andy Branner] “TIA
:facepalm:”
Dude, I don’t know how to say this other than to say that you seriously need to look into some breath mints.
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[Andy Branner] “[Steven J Dorr] “Please change this forum title to, “Apple FCPX The Debate,” and drop the, “or Not.””
I completely agree and you actually beat me to the punch. I was going to request the exact same.
The subtext may have had a certain grain of legitimacy to it TWO YEARS ago, but at the very latest since 10.0.6 it just reeks of childish, ad hominem troll bait. Suggesting that FCP X somehow hasn’t found its way into a LOT of studios big and small and using the title itself as some sort of “proof” of FCPs lacking something (yes, I was literally trolled by someone asking exactly that “so why is FCP X the ONLY forum on the Cow with a title like that?? Njeh njeh njeh” as if to legitimize his otherwise extremely weak position).
“Okay. Here’s the thing: the person you want to get in touch with is Tim Wilson. He runs the COW. Over the last couple of years, many of us have agreed the name could use a change. If you look back, you’ll find this conversation is had every few months. Even some of us who are lukewarm about X, have agreed that there are possibly better names for this forum, which has become a general NLE discussion lounge. Over a year and a half ago, I was fully supportive of “Editor’s Lounge” or “The Green Room” or whatever, and letting the Techniques section become FCP X. Tim, however, likes “Or Not,” probably because of the way it drives traffic. There really is nothing to debate, and nothing we haven’t heard before. Email Tim.
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[Paul Neumann] “Not much debate over on the Creative Cloud thread. You either are totally against it or you’re not welcome.
“Now, that’s not entirely true. If you use CC, or don’t mind it so much, you become food on which to feed, or fuel to be burned. After all, you can’t play darts without the dartboard.
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[Steven J Dorr] “Please change this forum title to, “Apple FCPX The Debate,” and drop the, “or Not.””
Hi Steven and welcome to the forum. I notice this is your first post here. As Chris Harlan, a stalwart of this forum has pointed out, the idea to change names is a semi regular request. As I have noted before it seems to be usually made by people who are new or infrequent to this forum.
It boils down to the simple issue of there is no real need to change it. Rarely if ever do regulars on this forum ask for such a change so the majority of users on this forum have no issue. I am sure Tim has more important things to worry about like stopping spammers selling erection pills.
In spite of the “Debate or Not” name and the fact that there is already an FCPX techniques forum people regularly post non debate questions here or FCPX questions in the FCP forum which is for the old FCP7 hold outs. If anything there is a better argument to change the FCP forum to FCP7 only and leave the rest alone.
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…there’s spam pills for that sort of thing?
😉
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[Jeremy Garchow] “…there’s spam pills for that sort of thing?
“You’d be amazed. The only thing ima add is that there are apparently a lot of lonely grandmas out there.
[Michael Gissing] “I am sure Tim has more important things to worry about…..”
Hey, NOTHING is more important than this. I was just focused on other stuff for a bit that was…okay, other stuff is important too. 🙂
But to summarize again where I’m at right now:
No “Or Not” in the Cloud Debate forum because there’s no real discussions about alternatives to Adobe products. Obviously way oversimplifying here, but the largest single topic, maybe the only major one, is about the way that the products are being paid for / owned / not owned, etc. “Soapbox” has negative connotations that I wouldn’t want to convey, but that’s more of how I see that forum, with no disrespect intended. The forum is doing what it needs to do.
The debate here was never just between FCP 7 and X, but about every NLE (time to reconsider Avid again, I’ve already got Premiere because I own AE, Smoke has a crazy crossgrade deal, etc etc), and every combination of NLEs that may or may not include X at all. Past holdouts are finding reasons to make the switch, with good and bad things to report, new people are entering the discussion for the first time, a new computer is bringing up angles that haven’t been talked about at all for a year or more — things change here, often, and often by a whole lot.
In all, the topics here are doing more to reflect what’s happening in the real world, with people’s actual money on the line, than anywhere else on the web.
I’m nowhere near done with that. I am done with “pundit” wannabes saying “Time may tell” and other claptrap that exposes how little they use it, and how little real thought they’ve given it. It’s straight-up clickbait. I recommend avoiding every article with a similar title unless it’s at the COW, where I would never consider publishing such a cowardly article. I demand more of our authors because I respect your time. It’s been 2 years. Have a fkkking opinion, or don’t waste my time.
Which is why I love this forum so much. LOL
And I’m generally less interested in someone’s opinion than in what they’re DOING, and I love that threads like that are also in such abundance.
Of course, I don’t do anything at all, and am wall-to-wall opinions, so what the hell do I know? I know that the conversations between some of the smartest people online (and the rest of you LOL) make this the best forum on the web.
As always, I’m up for any changes that reflect the forum better than this name does. We had no idea that the forum would last this long and be so popular. If we had, we might have taken more time with the name LOL….but it felt reflective of the posts we were actually seeing, rather than some idea about what the forum “ought” to be.
And yes, drop me a line any time about this or anything else. How ’bout them Red Sox, y’all!
Yr pal,
Timmy
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I think you need to change the forum title to “FCPX IS Professional – Now What?’
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[John Godwin] “I think you need to change the forum title to “FCPX IS Professional – Now What?'”
For the forum at large, that question was answered within seconds of the first download. The “not at all professional” thing gave way in a remarkably short time for all but a few people, to, for most others, somewhere along the spectrum between “Not professional enough yet,” and “I’ve never seen anything more professional in my life.”
Hence the debate. 🙂
But there was certainly no intent on our part to suggest anything in OUR opinion, one way or another. I certainly yapped as much as anybody in the early days, but never about that. My capacity for having an informed opinion on THAT would require actually working for a living, rather than simply talking about working for a living. LOL
Not that that has stopped most writers on most other websites. LOL
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