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  • Aaron Cadieux

    June 17, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    It’s amazing how big business has brainwashed this country.

    Let’s all bow down to the almighty infallable corporations and allow them to take advantage of the little guy. Anyone who dare speak up against shoddy business practices, as to prevent others from being taken-advantage-of, shall be forever banished from the business world.

  • Mike Cohen

    June 17, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    I agree with Tim. The point of a forum like this is to trade advice and experiences in such a way as to promote learning and self-improvement, or to get help with the unknown, not to cast stones in the town square.

    The original poster on this thread could open himself up to something called “exposure.” In other words, you expose yourself, your client or your employer to unwanted negative public attention – usually a bad thing.

    While one may feel like venting, be generic. A website with a million visitors a month is not the place to name names. Once you name names, you have passed the point of no return and Tim’s warnings become a real possibility.

    Perhaps we should have a “Posting Guidelines” at the top of the page for new users (or for anyone with an axe to grind), since this forum is more likely to open someone up to possible exposure. For example, saying “WXYZ Network does the following with their lighting design” is a lot more benign that “WXYZ Network doesn’t pay their bills.” Both may be true but both may not be public information, whether you feel abused or not. Dare I say you could get into a slander situation.

    Anytime you rent a camera, there needs to be a down-payment, security deposit, or a billing relationship between the parties.

    Mike Cohen

  • Aaron Cadieux

    June 17, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Fair enough. Perhaps, out of respect for the true purpose of this forum, the forum moderators could stricken the name of the client from the record. But believe me, I still think that more people need to speak up about corporate greed and poor business practices. Maybe if more people did that in the past, we wouldn’t be in the financial situation we’re in now.

  • Nick Griffin

    June 17, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    [Aaron Cadieux] “Anyone who dare speak up against shoddy business practices,”

    Aaron-
    Lighten up a bit dude. We’re trying to keep you from:

    [Mike Cohen] “The original poster on this thread could open himself up to something called “exposure.””

    Anyone who has spent any time around lawyers, depositions, courtrooms, etc. knows how little fun it can be to deal with “exposure,” especially when it was preventable.

  • Gregory Adamo

    June 18, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Nick – Off Topic: Would you contact me. We met at the David Simon talk at Loyola two years ago. Lost your email. Mine is gregory.adamo@morgan.edu
    Thanks, Greg

  • Ron Lindeboom

    June 18, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    [Tim Kolb] “Finding new clients is hard these days and finding a job after being dismissed for misconduct is harder….I sincerely hope for Aaron’s and his employer’s sakes, that this thread DOESN’T make it to page 1 on a Google search.”

    We deleted the post in which Aaron mentioned the company by name. Hopefully, we got to it before Google archived the post.

    Paul McCartney was right: Some people never learn.

    Ron Lindeboom
    Cleaning Up After the Willfully Stupid, because We Care™

    PS: Aaron, how many times are you going to come here and do this kind of stuff? You really are what employers call A Toxic Employee. If you worked for me, well, you wouldn’t…

  • Tim Kolb

    June 18, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    [Aaron Cadieux] “If nobody ever bothered to blow the whistle on a company for bad business practices, then there would be no such thing as a company with a bad reputation. $650 may not seem like much to some people, but for others, it means a lot. Why should a company stiffing people out of hard-earned money be allowed to do so without being called out about it?”

    Aaron, this is your situation:

    YOU have a bill to your employer for less than 1000.00 USD.

    YOUR CLIENT (also your employer) hasn’t paid YOUR bill.

    YOUR CLIENT (also your employer) is apparently telling you they can’t pay your little invoice until their client pays the big one.

    Isn’t the “big business who is stiffing you” your employer? Are you telling me they don’t have the cash to simply pay your equipment rental, even without their client paying?

    Now, instead of taking this out on the company that ACTUALLY OWES YOU money, you’ve taken it upon yourself to sabotage the relationship between YOUR CLIENT and THEIR customer. Normally if you were just a vendor, you could potentially lose your client and then lose them theirs and be spoken of in a negative way, similar to what you hope will happen with this evil company…

    The bonus in all this is that since you are an EMPLOYEE of the company that supplied the services to the large company, your mentioning their name, their terms and the amount of the job now makes your employer liable for any legal action as well…and THEN you lose your job.

    Hey, I know that many companies abuse smaller companies with payment terms, but in this case, it’s your employer who is using you for the float…they do business with this client by choice. Maybe they are well aware of how they pay and they price for it…in any event, it’s not your call to make.

    Keep in mind that just because big businesses have more revenue doesn’t mean they have any more net cash by percentage than a small business does, and when their customers are paying them slower than normal, they don’t necessarily have an unlimited credit line to absorb all that float themselves either…their bills grew with their revenues of course.

    A big business is a small business that now has exponentially larger stresses during an economic downturn.

    You can feel justified in yelling this stuff from the tree tops, but business and justice are vastly different things. If a customer doesn’t pay in the terms you choose, then you have to figure out what to do about it with them…take the revenue or drop the customer…and maybe lay some employees off to offset the loss in revenue.

    Finding new clients is hard these days and finding a job after being dismissed for misconduct is harder….I sincerely hope for Aaron’s and his employer’s sakes, that this thread DOESN’T make it to page 1 on a Google search.

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

  • Tim Kolb

    June 18, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    I see the post with the company name has been pulled…

    Hopefully Google’s cache dumps the reference as soon as possible.

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

  • Ron Lindeboom

    June 18, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    [Tim Kolb] “Hopefully Google’s cache dumps the reference as soon as possible.”

    If Google has it, it will become The Everlasting Post.

    Google’s job is to archive everything and so people will eventually learn to be careful in what they do and say on the Net. Once it is in Google’s archive, it is not going to disappear.

    Ron Lindeboom

  • Tim Kolb

    June 18, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Ah, yes…it’s still there.

    The incriminating text is actually in the search result item…

    Unfortunate.

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

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