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iMac VS Surface Studio
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[Oliver Peters] “These are all pretty laughable statements, which you just routinely toss out so casually. To say macOS in any version was like Windows 3.1 just makes no sense.”
Mac OS six and Windows 3.1 did use a similar paradigm. Most people would agree.
[Oliver Peters] ” Why is macOS like Windows 95 in your mind? What specific details make it so in your opinion?”
The Dock functions somewhat like the Taskbar. Apple did not want to copy Windows 100% like Suse Linux, Corel Linux and all the other Linus distribution that followed from Windows 95. Many of the Linux distribution today still use the Windows 95 paradigm. Windows 7 is not a new paradigm from Windows 95 nor was OS X. Windows 7 is slightly more refined than Windows 95 but not a whole new paradigm shift.
[Oliver Peters] ” What specific details make it so in your opinion? File/folder structure? User interaction? Other? And if so, why is that wrong?”
I did not say the Windows 95 paradigm does not work. I use the Windows 95 paradigm when I use Windows 10 on my desktop but Windows 10 can also work on cell phones and tablets. OS X cannot. Apple has iOS for that.
If you can demonstrate OS X working nicely on a tablet without a keyboard and mouse connected than all my comments will be invalid. If not then Windows 8/10 was a paradigm shift.
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[Oliver Peters] “TW – it’s interesting that Andy posted this video, because Leo’s comments are not entirely positive towards the Studio. The response time in Photoshop in fullscreen mode is awful. And for $4K. So this is better than an iMac, how?”
For the record the top of the line Surface Studio is much more powerful than what Leo Laporte purchased. Having said that no one ever said the Surface Studio is a powerful computer. Nor did anyone say it is better than an iMac. It is the interaction when using graphic design program that is most impressive about the Surface Studio. I have mentioned this to you several times. Having said that could you please draw a few cartoons using the iMac screen and the Apple Pencil. If you cannot then I would hope you could easily see the advantage of the Surface Studio over an iMac for some users. This is not rocket science. As has been stated there will probably be a Surface Studio 2 in another 8 or 9 months with much better specs.
As of now stop looking at the specs and demonstrate how the interaction of the iMac is better than the Surface Studio when using Adobe Illustrator. That is what all the hoopla is all about. How you missed that part of the equation is beyond me.
They claim the Surface Studio was the most interesting product of 2016 but it is not the most powerful.
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[Noah Kadner] “In playing with one at a store, I think the form factor of the Surface is actually kinda compelling especially if you’re in the illustration business.”
I want to thank you for actually trying it. The Surface Studio should have been more powerful but it is the interaction with certain programs that all the hoopla is about. I like the Surface Studio but I admit as of 2017 it is to expensive for me to purchase. What will the Surface Studio 3 cost in 2020? Who knows?
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[andy patterson] “The Dock functions somewhat like the Taskbar. Apple did not want to copy Windows 100% like Suse Linux, Corel Linux and all the other Linus distribution that followed from Windows 95. Many of the Linux distribution today still use the Windows 95 paradigm. Windows 7 is not a new paradigm from Windows 95 nor was OS X. Windows 7 is slightly more refined than Windows 95 but not a whole new paradigm shift. “
This analysis is pretty superficial and you haven’t really answered any of the questions. Your concerns about macOS equally apply to Windows 10.
[andy patterson] “If you can demonstrate OS X working nicely on a tablet without a keyboard and mouse connected than all my comments will be invalid.”
Huh? Do you really think anyone cares? What’s your infatuation with a touch interface? I don’t get it. In the case of Surface, that’s really just the screen – not the operating system user interface. Have you ever run a Surface Studio or an HP Z1 with touch screen for that matter? It’s not very comfortable, with the one exception, drawing.
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[andy patterson] “Nor did anyone say it is better than an iMac.”
Then what’s the point of this thread if that isn’t what you’ve been trying to say?
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[andy patterson] “Having said that could you please draw a few cartoons using the iMac screen and the Apple Pencil. If you cannot then I would hope you could easily see the advantage of the Surface Studio over an iMac for some users. This is not rocket science. As has been stated there will probably be a Surface Studio 2 in another 8 or 9 months with much better specs. “
Im not sure what the debate is here.. I think you’re debating with yourself. Did anyone bring this up besides you? These are two different machine’s – one has a touch screen, one does not. How are they comparable at all?
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[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “Nor did anyone say it is better than an iMac.”
Then what’s the point of this thread if that isn’t what you’ve been trying to say?”
I never stated The Surface Studio is better. The Surface Studio offers a better interaction with some programs. Some users will get a benefit from the Surface Studio others will not. That is the only thing I have ever stated and it is what other have said about the Surface Studio. The bottom line is Apple has nothing to compete with the Surface Studio for graphic designers. Most of the money for the MS Surface Studio went into the touch and pressure sensitive screen of the MS Surface Studio. Having said that will the Surface Studio 3 in 2020 offer better specs than the 2020 iMac Pro?
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The iPad Pro is sovereign at drawing tasks, and I hope Apple will bridge it to the Mac soon.
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Editing using a touch screen is awful. I’m sure the Surface is a wonderful thing but.. no thanks.
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[Charlie Austin] “Editing using a touch screen is awful. I’m sure the Surface is a wonderful thing but.. no thanks.”
Who said anything about using a touch screen for video editing? You folks keep mentioning video editing as opposed to Illustrator and Photoshop. That is like saying you wouldn’t use an iMac for skateboarding. Who would? I am guessing the MS Surface Studio might offer the user a better way to interact with the Affinity Design software as well. The surface studio worked well with MS Edge and several other programs. Keep in mind if you want to use a keyboard and mouse with Surface Studio you still can. It is not like it is illegal to use the best input device for the job.
https://affinity.serif.com/en-us
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