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If I thought the switch was inevitable…
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[Shawn Miller] “You’re comparing upgrade pricing of a single application (Avid MC) to an entire Suite (Adobe PP CS5.5). Again, the real value of either offering depends completely what you need the tools to do. “
Not exactly. I’m not sure about upgrade pricing with MC, but for example, if you buy MC 6 at retail with the FCP crossgrade price ($1499), this includes MC 6, Sorenson Squeeze 8, Avid DVD and Avid FX (an OEM version of Boris RED). So it is a small suite, as well, which would be more or less equivalent to Premiere Pro + AE + Encore + AME.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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“[Oliver Peters]Not exactly. I’m not sure about upgrade pricing with MC,…”
Hi Oliver, if I read Lance’s comment correctly, he was talking about Media Composer exclusively…
“[Lance Bachelder]If you upgrade right now from Media Composer 5.5 to 6 (a MAJOR update!) the upgrade is about 12% of the full price!”
“[Oliver Peters]but for example, if you buy MC 6 at retail with the FCP crossgrade price ($1499), this includes MC 6, Sorenson Squeeze 8, Avid DVD and Avid FX (an OEM version of Boris RED). So it is a small suite, as well, which would be more or less equivalent to Premiere Pro + AE + Encore + AME.”
Fair enough, but the main comment I was responding to was about Adobe’s upgrade pricing:
“[Lance Bachelder]Adobe’s upgrade pricing is easily the most painful in the industry.”
I just don’t see how this statement holds up. Perhaps someone can help me out here. 🙂
Shawn
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I wasn’t talking about MC alone – you get a “suite” of software for $2499 or whatever price you end up paying. Not saying product is better or worse than Adobe, I was just a little peeved last NAB when there really wasn’t much of a break for recent CS5 buyers – not like Apple had done when they released new Studio upgrade – ahhh… those were the days…
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I hope you’re right Tim. Last NAB was a little shocking to me with a .5 update at full price. I still haven’t purchased 5.5 and will wait to see how 6 looks – though Adobe also has the very unfriendly tiered upgrading based on the version you have. Not a way to get old users back at all, including me.
Lance Bachelder
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I don’t understand why more people aren’t screaming about X’s price point. With Studio, the upgrades were $299 for the entire thing, color, motion, soundtrack, DVDSP, compressor, FCP, etc. Now, you get one app for $299 and $50 each for the other two. So from my point of view, the pricing used to be $299, and now it’s $399 for a less featured, less app’d suite. Great, so it was a lower cost to get on board vs. studio. But it’s a $100 more to stay on board every upgrade. Just another way they screwed the existing users of studio.
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Adobe’s upgrade pricing has been nothing but awesome for me over the years. I started out with a couple single apps. AE, PS, Illustrator. I also had Macromedia Dreamweaver, which I eventually upgraded to Macromedia Studio. Adobe merged with Macromedia. I went over to the CS3 Web standard bundle for next to nothing after a few missed upgrades. And one day my PS 7 was getting long in the tooth and wouldn’t run in leopard so I upgraded the a single App, Illustrator, to the CS4 Production bundle. I then SOLD my PS 7 on ebay for $200 bucks or so and it was too old to upgrade at that point. Transferred the license and all. I did the same for After Effects 5.5 and if I remember right the price I got for the two almost covered the upgrade to the Production Bundle. 2 years later, I needed to upgrade the web standard and the production bundles to CS5. Upgrading both was actually slightly more than upgrading just ONE to the master collection. So, of course I upgraded the web standard bundle to the master collection and sold my CS4 production bundle on ebay for a fortune because it was upgradeable to CS5 or the master collection. That paid for my upgrade to the master collection. And with all the sales Adobe has been having on upgrades I got top dollar for an older bundle because the upgrade still made it cheaper than buying new for them. Now I have the Master Collection and at one point recently it was $500 to upgrade the whole thing from CS 5.5 which is pretty amazing for all those apps. But I’m cheap obviously. I haven’t upgraded. CS5 does all I need. I’ve had a few AE projects come my way from a CS5.5 system, but I just ask them to save it as CS5. Not sure if Premiere can do that.
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Please don’t compare BorisRed to AE. Ugh. And are we not forgetting Photoshop? How invaluable an app is that? What else does the Produciton Premium bundle have? Illustrator, Flash, Audition. Really there is no comparison. The PP suite is just flat out amazing. I’m surprised when I find editors that don’t own it. It’s tantamount to working in an office without using, well, MS Office. I guess if you’re working in a void making event videos you can get away with it, but if you’re working with corporate clients at all eventually someone hands you an illustrator file or a psd
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[Bret Williams] “I don’t understand why more people aren’t screaming about X’s price point. With Studio, the upgrades were $299 for the entire thing, color, motion, soundtrack, DVDSP, compressor, FCP, etc. Now, you get one app for $299 and $50 each for the other two.”
You’re actually the first person I’ve seen who has moaned about the price.
Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
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[Bret Williams] “Adobe’s upgrade pricing has been nothing but awesome for me over the years. “
Maybe for you, the CS5 to 5.5 upgrade price was very high based on the new features that Adobe offered.
However I’m intrigued by the new Creative Cloud offering where you can have all of Adobes apps for just a few hundred dollars a year
Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
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It’s a fair moan though. A year before Apple dumped it Studio was the first piece of major software I’d ever been able to afford. I figured I was buying into at least a decade of upgrades. Boy did I feel robbed.
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