HVX200 capabilities made the HVR-Z1U HD Obsolete?

[Barry Green]

[hopperHD] “Secondly, is 1040i on its way out. It sounds like the 720p is the more versatile format and much more desired for television.”

1080i is currently the broadcast format with the most stations. NBC, CBS, PBS, and cable stations like TBS and InHD are all 1080i. 720p is the format used by FOX, ABC, and ESPN.

However, that’s in America. In Europe the EBU has formally endorsed 720p for today, with an eventual goal of 1080p. They want nothing to do with 1080i (although they did say that they recognize that 1080i broadcasts would happen, and that they won’t do anything to prevent that). The one thing the EBU made clear is that they would like to exterminate interlacing from Europe’s future.

In America, the ATSC endorsed six formats for HDTV broadcast: 720/24p, 720/30p, 720/60p, 1080/24p, 1080/30p, 1080/60i. Interesting to note that five of those six are progressive, only one is interlaced. Equally interesting to note that a majority of broadcasters who are currently broadcasting in HD chose 1080i anyway.

So 720p is common, but not the eventual end. 1080i is more common, and is also not the eventual end. 1080/60p is what we’d all like to see.

As for the HVX, it shoots and records all six formats endorsed by the ATSC, as well as the formats endorsed by the EBU (excepting 1080/50p & 1080/60p, which pretty much no camera supports).

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[Harry Pallenberg]

All I know is that the guy who runs the dub house where we get work done says that he gets lots of stuff shot on the Sony HDV camera that he dubs over to HDCAM and it gets aired. Sometimes he goes from a HDV tape, but more and mnore he goes from the timeline of Final Cut Pro. I also know that years ago he used to take MiniDV masters and dub it to BetaSP (later to DigiBeta) for delivery…. I know because we were one of many clients who did it.

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[Hopperhd]

Once again, many thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. To be quite honest, I wasn’t really sure the how or what was given to broadcasters ie: DVD, DV tape, loner hard-drive, ect. I hadn’t quite gotten there yet, but great info though! I guess was concentrating more on the accepted industry formats.

Cheers!
Jason

[Gary Adcock]

[Barry Green] “1080i is currently the broadcast format with the most stations. NBC, CBS, PBS, and cable stations like TBS and InHD are all 1080i. 720p is the format used by FOX, ABC, and ESPN.”

Note that FOX is delivering HD content currently in 3 formats depending on where you live. Major Market, owned and operated Fox stations do deliver in 720, there are 2 ( that I know of ) that transmit locally in 1080. A number of the secondary markets
for FOX ( and PBS) are still only delivering a 480 digital signal.

Part of this confusion comes from the 27 separate standards for Digital Broadcast according to the ATSC.

Broadcast standards are kinda like the Cow – a lot of opinions and few conclusions…

Gary Adcock
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HD and Film Consultation
Chicago, IL USA

[Steve Connor]

[gary adcock] “Broadcast standards are kinda like the Cow – a lot of opinions and few conclusions…”

Very true 🙂

Steve Connor
Cardinal HD

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[Toke]

[Frank Nolan] “When was the Z1 ever considered a broadcast camera?”

When was vx1000 or any miniDV-camera considered as broadcast camera?
But eventually all broadcasters accept it.

Quality isn’t usually what it used to be with betacam, but there’s lots of reasons other than tape format for that.
A couple of years ago today’s reality-tv series wouldn’t met the required content quality level either.
So who knows what is mainstream also in technical view in couple of years, anything accepted perhaps? 😉

[George]

I think its the opposite. All the HD players (sony/toshiba) are moving to 1080i/1080p and the broadcasters usually want 1080 masters.

American Idol which is “the” most popular television show uses the Sony HDV cameras for all there Bcam back stage recording.

The HVX200 will likely be a nice camera, but the small 1/3 CCDs with introduce high levels of noise into the image. With HDV its this issue and the MPEG2 recording that creates the noise.

With the HVX you’ll have a fine codec (DVCPROHD100) but the old garbage in > garbage out problem still exists. So even though the codec can handle 4:2:2 and higher bite rate, the 1/3 inch sensor will be the weakest link.

[Steve Connor]

[George] “With the HVX you’ll have a fine codec (DVCPROHD100) but the old garbage in > garbage out problem still exists. So even though the codec can handle 4:2:2 and higher bite rate, the 1/3 inch sensor will be the weakest link. “

That’s true – and with the pictures I’ve seen so far there is noise in the HVX pictures, but no more than you would expect from small chips.

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