https://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2018/06/14/on-the-sad-state-of-macintosh-hardware/

[Dominic Deacon]

[Robin S. Kurz] “And sorry… but if you put together a PC that actually matches a Mac spec for spec, then, oh gee… you’re not only not saving anything, but you also have just a pile of boxes on a table as a starting point. One to two days later you have yourself a machine.”

One to two days!? I’m not good at it and I’d budget an hour and another half hour to install windows on a bad day. You watch Linus obviously so you can watch videos of him putting computers together in 10 minutes, outside, in a bustling Chinese mall. It’s not a complicated thing.

As for them not being cheaper I’m not sure how Mac people keep making this claim. I just built a 16 core PC with two 1080tis, 64GB RAM, M.2 drives, 8tb of hard drive storage for $AUD6000. You can’t buy a Mac that powerful to begin with but if you wanted to try the entry level iMac Pro (which I couldn’t get my work done on) starts at $AUD7,300. No I didn’t get a 5k screen with mine but I already have screens. Otherwise every part in my machine is equal or superior- hugely superior as far as CPU and GPU go- for a massive discount. Plus every parts replaceable and I can replace whenever I need to because I put them in there in the first place.

As for my machjine being glued togethr with spit and gum. No spit. No gum. I used actual real life screws for everything. You want to asee stuff stuck together with glue take off the back of your Mac. There’s a hell of a lot of glue back there.

[Robin S. kurz]

[Dominic Deacon] “As for them not being cheaper I’m not sure how Mac people keep making this claim.”

I dunno… maybe by actually watching the video?

So we’ll just completely ignore that there isn’t even a single “Mac people” in the video to begin with (oops), and that I explicitly stated SPEC FOR SPEC (you even quoted it! :-D), which you (of course) didn’t do, AND said “whilst leaving out everything else” which you did, right? Maybe try re-reading for context and better comprehension? Therefor just another irrelevant, contrived example with the usual shifting of goal posts by miles, whilst ironically accusing others of doing just that. So it’s, fittingly, yet another apple’s and orange’s comparison once again.

A Mac doesn’t do it for you or you can’t afford one? Great, go with your PC or any number of endless options you have. Who cares? I’m pretty sure Apple for one don’t. Especially when they look at their (ever growing) numbers. Just maybe try not to ignore (and feel so horribly threatened by) clearly stated and proven facts as a (rather clumsy) justification for said decision?

[Dominic Deacon] “entry level iMac Pro (which I couldn’t get my work done on)”

But of course not. And your full-time job is WHAT exactly? Do tell.

[Dominic Deacon] “superior as far as CPU and GPU go“

Ouch. Just as I said and predicted, yes. And absolutely nothing more beyond that. Maybe re-read the “Who could possibly deny that?” part in particular?

So thanks for missing the entire point and confirming it all at the same time. ????

– RK

[Bernard Newnham]

[Robin S. Kurz] “That’s just not what Apple is about, but everything that PCs are about. A patchwork of single components just barely glued together with spit and gum and an endless array of (mostly incompatible) drivers for maximum performance in some singled out, very specific task… for 20 bucks. “

Yes – as I said, just a teeniest bit scary.

At the uni where I teach there are hundreds of pretty standard PCs in large classrooms. There’s a jukebox system for applications – currently 184 of them, of many different disciplines – and the expectation is that they will all work for the hundreds of students that use them . No incompatible drivers, no glue or spit, just standard industry gear. They just work.

Here at home, I’ve built all my desktop PCs since 1998 – in fact it was the same case with new bits, till I needed more drive bays a few years ago. It isn’t difficult to build PCs, nor does it take a huge amount of time, and you get exactly the spec you want for considerably less than any Apple equipment. And you can change bits as you wish. Last year I updated from a GTX460 to a GTX960 GPU on this machine. Pull one one, put one in. No new drivers, works straight off. Runs Resolve in HD without a blink. I don’t need, so haven’t tried 4k, but if necessary, I’ll just get a new motherboard, processor and memory and bung them in the box . Keep all the other stuff, as they work fine. I have a Hackintosh on the floor behind me, and a Mac G4. Neither has been turned on since FCP7 went away.

Oh – and my last full time job was senior producer at BBCtv – what’s yours, since you’re asking people?

Bernie

[Robin S. kurz]

[Bernard Newnham] “at BBCtv”

Oh, right. The people that just switched to Final Cut Pro X for news globally not too long ago? Yes, very familiar (and friendly) with them.

And yes, the fact that I played a bit with hyperbole and sarcasm to make an overall point is a given. With PCs YMMV a LOT, most certainly.

Oh and btw?

https://www.jamf.com/blog/total-cost-of-ownership-mac-versus-pc-in-the-enterprise/

TL;DR? Ok… just a taste:

“Let’s recap those staggering findings
While Mac hardware alone is more expensive than PCs, there are many more factors to consider when deploying Macs. Thanks to most core services moving to the cloud and becoming cross platform, the cost is now a wash between Mac and PC.

Any organization serious about managing and securing Windows will need to add additional software and tools to the cost of their cheap PC, as opposed to having those features built into the operating system with Mac. Finally, when you add on the cost of management tools and support, the total cost of ownership gap can potentially be huge for an organization. In fact, IBM found they saved between $273 – $513 per Mac they deployed compared to PCs.”

And there are endless such reports. Have been for years. Based on objective facts and numbers, not subjective opinions and personal preference.

So yeah, be sure to save as much as possible going in, definitely. If you’re lucky, it’ll actually work out in the end. ????

– RK

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[Peter Dearmond]

[Robin S. Kurz] “OR… are they maybe just people that know what they need, see those needs served best (if not exceeded) NOW by the current lineup, don’t need to compare GHz and Teraflops with the next guy just to feel good, and therefore are not worried about their imaginary “PRO” reputation or upgradability in 5-10 years?”

This describes me perfectly. A year ago I bought what was then the latest 27-inch iMac. I maxed it out with everything except for the RAM, which I bought from a third party. Apple had already announced that there would be an iMac Pro later that year, and I could have waited. But I had been using FCPX on iMacs and MacBook Pros in the Apple store, and I knew the then-new 27-inch iMac would meet my needs for a long time. One could argue that it was even overkill for my needs. I’m very happy with my decision.

[Robin S. kurz]

[Peter DeArmond] “This describes me perfectly.”

And you’re far from alone. I’d say that describes the vast majority of Mac users/buyers. Something that “professional” hubris apparently doesn’t allow for: common sense.

A friend of mine, who is a little above the average user, since he does a lot of editing with iMovie, just sold his eleven year old iMac for 50€ after he accidentally cracked the screen. Yeah, 50€ for an eleven year old broken machine and there were multiple people interested within the first day of advertising! Even I was amazed.

I’d love to see anyone get so much as ONE € for even a five year old pristine PC they bought “super cheap!”. Not.

And really… what is this moronic “Apple doesn’t care about the ‘pros’ anymore!” nonsense anyway? There are literally millions of pros in all areas that are super happy with what they have. And even if Apple wasn’t interested in the “pro” market (which they clearly ARE)… could anyone blame them?? The endless self-proclaiming “pros” are the biggest whiners, by default always need that GHz or slot-port-exe-bat more (for HALF the price of course!) than anything that Apple offers up and are just an overall PITA with some bizarr sense of entitlement. All the while earning Apple near nothing on the grand scale.

So what exactly do these people think Apple owes them? Why in the world should Apple be happy and thankful that they of all people choose to use their products? I think Apple’s actually secretly relieved if they wonder off and fiddle together their own little technical Frankenstein.

Don’t like it? Don’t buy it! That how the market works… surprise! All the power to ya. Goodbye and good riddance. Go chew Dell’s/ASUS’s/Microsoft’s/whatever’s ears off. Meanwhile they’ll be over there selling more and more and more machines just fine without you. ????

– RK

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