How to render graphics in 1080i 50.

[John Mark]

I have rendered my graphics at 25fps using Upper feilds. I stil dont get the smooth motion I’m looking for in 1080i50 (TV 1080i50hz) I don’t understand, my vide clips running at 25fps play silky smooth, why not for the graphics?

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[Walter Soyka]

[John Mark] “I have rendered my graphics at 25fps using Upper feilds. I stil dont get the smooth motion I’m looking for in 1080i50 (TV 1080i50hz) I don’t understand, my vide clips running at 25fps play silky smooth, why not for the graphics?”

How are you monitoring?

Can you post screenshots of your comp settings, your render settings, and your output module?

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[John Mark]

[Walter Soyka] “How are you monitoring?
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My final output is going to a HD TV (1080i50hz) using a Black Magic UltraStudio Mini Monitor.

My After effects Settings: https://images.creativecow.net/240404

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[Walter Soyka]

[John Mark] “My final output is going to a HD TV (1080i50hz) using a Black Magic UltraStudio Mini Monitor.”

And is that what you are watching when you don’t see smoothness? Please describe the entire playout process.

[John Mark] “My After effects Settings: https://images.creativecow.net/240404 “

Please also post your render settings so we know what output format you’re using.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[John Mark]

[Walter Soyka] “And is that what you are watching when you don’t see smoothness? Please describe the entire playout process.
“

Yes, the graphics are running from Softron OnTheAirExpress, then outputting via a UltraStudio mini monitor. This is were I don’t see the smoothness, even with upper fields in use.

This is the render settings of “best settings” : https://f1.creativecow.net/6355/6355?uploaded=file

If this is not what your after I apologize and will post the correct information.

As for Dave questions:

As in, “Are you using the proper media container and codec for your blackmagic card?”

All my graphics, I use animation, just for the use of alpha channel.

As in, “Do you have the proper storage to support the bitrate for the Blackmagic-recommended media container and codec to which you rendered?”

I have purchases a new Macbook pro I5, with hardly any usage yet. Video clips play smoothly in a codec “Apple International codec”. I have tried converting my graphics in After Effects using the same settings as my video clips, but it does not seem to work still

Thank you both for your time and patience.

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[Walter Soyka]

[Dave LaRonde] “I bet you actually mean “Apple INTERMEDIATE Codec”. Two words: it stinks. Never, EVER use it for graphics. “

Dave was a lot kinder to AIC than I would have been… it’s utterly horrendous. Avoid it like the plague.

AIC was Apple’s proprietary, thin-raster mezzanine format for HDV. It may not support square-pixel 1080i50.

[Dave LaRonde] “Your goals dictate that you get a far more robust storage solution with much higher throughput than you currently have. I’m not conversant on the latest hardware, but I’m sure the Good Mr. Soyka will have some suggestions.”

Thank you, Dave!

John, I’d suggest trying to render to Apple ProRes 422 before throwing hardware at it. You should be able to play a stream or two without any trouble.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

[John Mark]

[Dave LaRonde] “If you’re doing this just for fun, you picked one mighty expensive hobby, sir!
“

I certainly didi!

Thank you both for your time, help and tips. I will try rendering at Apple ProRes and see how I go.

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[John Mark]

Finally! Everything is working like I want it to. The end solution was I had to render at 50fps “using upper fields” and not 25fps. Thank you once again for your help.

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