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How stable is FC Studio2? Honestly.
Mike Parfit replied 18 years, 4 months ago 15 Members · 27 Replies
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Gary Adcock
December 16, 2007 at 7:36 pm[walter biscardi] “A second big issue I see is people who try to get away with the smallest and cheapest storage solutions. All hard drive arrays slow down as they fill up, usually when they hit about 75% full. By 90% full they usually take another serious hit in speed”
Here here wally…..
I could not agree more.gary adcock
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Rennie Klymyk
December 16, 2007 at 8:15 pm[David McGiffert] “Walter
This is one of the smartest advisories I’ve seen in a long
time. Should be read by lots of us.
“Here here, couldn’t agree more. This is a great post Walter.
…..Isn’t Crash a movie?
“everything is broken” ……1st. coined by Esther Philips I believe.
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Jack Kelly
December 16, 2007 at 8:25 pmThanks for all the replies – really great info.
This forum topic has me a little concerned though:
Bugs, bugs, everywhere we turn. What happened to good quality testing?
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Arnie Schlissel
December 17, 2007 at 12:24 am[Jack Kelly] “and having to spend 3x what the hardware would cost if I assembled it myself).”
Have you really priced out what it would cost to build the same system yourself?
Go to newegg.com or tigerdirect.com and price the same pair of dual-core or quad-core Xeon CPUs, 1GB of 667MHz RAM, the same graphics card & the same hard drive, on a mother board with dual 1Gb ethernet connections, FW800 and 2 or 3 USB 2.0 ports. Plus a superdrive, case & 400 or 500 watt power supply.
Guess what? You’ll probably wind up within $500 of what Apple charges. And that still won’t include an operating system. Let alone Mac OS!
Look at what Dell or HP offer for for the same price as the Mac you’re looking at. It probably won’t be any faster or more powerful. Although it may come with a 19″ monitor.
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Walter Biscardi
December 17, 2007 at 12:38 am[Jack Kelly] “A few of my friends cut on FCP so I’m going to spend a few days testing out FCP before I take the plunge. There are a few “Apple” ways of thinking that will take some time to get used to (like not being able to put the system into a larger enclosure or upgrade the motherboard at all… and having to spend 3x what the hardware would cost if I assembled it myself).”
One thing you really should consider is Shane Ross’ “Getting Organized in Final Cut Pro.” This is a must DVD for any new person coming in to Final Cut Pro, or really anyone running FCP. It’s a great detailed guide on how to set up and manage a project properly in FCP. I’ve been running the software since 2001 and I learned quite a bit from Shane myself.
https://store.creativecow.net/p/63/getting_organized_in_final_cut_pro
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Walter Biscardi
December 17, 2007 at 12:41 am[Jack Kelly] “This forum topic has me a little concerned though:”
All versions of FCP have bugs in them as their Beta Testing program is miniscule anymore so when you have 1.5 million registered users of the software running thousands of software / hardware combinations, there are going to be problems.
Like I said in my original post, there are generally workaround for any issue. So you’ve never had a bug or issue with PPro? All software has bugs, that’s why you read these forums to find out what’s an annoyance and what’s a killer. We have two systems running 6.0.2 and one still running 6.0. All are cutting broadcast HD.
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Jack Kelly
December 17, 2007 at 8:33 amHi,
Thanks for all the replies – I’m getting a great feeling about FCP.
Please may I ask a question that probably feels very obvious to you: is FCP *responsive* on large projects? I ask because – again – I was up until 2:20am last night fighting with PPro because it just ground to a halt on a large project (and this is on a very fast, very well looked after system). I’d click the mouse on a button and then have to wait 15 seconds for Premiere to respond. Or I’d hit the spacebar to play and again, I’d have to wait 15 seconds. Not productive.
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Paul Dickin
December 17, 2007 at 10:32 amHi
I worked with an ex-Avid editor who turned a simple 10MB project into a 200MB unwieldy frankenstein’s monster after a couple of weeks of editing because he didn’t know what he was doing.FCP can have multiple projects open at the same time, with multiple timeline sequences in each project, so it is never necessary to suffer from project bloat once you understand how to manage your assets in an efficient way.
Having multiple nested sequences recursively intercut into each other was my ex-Avid editor’s downfall – none of that is necessary….
That’s why Shane wrote his project management guide:
https://training.creativecow.net/dvd_store/get_organized_fcp/get_organized_fcp.htmlI work with thousands of source clips on my hard drives, but my editing projects are kept simple by managing their complexity, and I then simplify a new final output project, before adding complex layered graphics or Motion/Soundtrack Pro shared round-tripping.
That’s my (very stable and for me, efficient) workflow, but there are probably as many differing workflows as there are FCP editors 😉
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Walter Biscardi
December 17, 2007 at 10:52 am[Jack Kelly] “Please may I ask a question that probably feels very obvious to you: is FCP *responsive* on large projects?”
It’s very responsive if you manage your projects correct, and you have fast, clean drives. Having slow, heavily loaded drives will grind any project to a halt. Again, can’t recommend Shane’s DVD enough for anyone coming over to the FCP workflow.
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Tom Meegan
December 17, 2007 at 12:00 pmI second Walter’s recommendation of the “Getting Organized” DVD. I work on many different FCP systems in many different formats, and I find myself using Shane’s tips to keep things straight often.
Stable.
The system I worked on the last three weeks had 10+ terabytes of storage daisy chained over seven FW 800 drives.
It was set up in three different office trailers from Calgary to Lake Placid, NY.
We used projects from FCP 4.5 all the way to FCP 6.0.1.
The formats/codecs the system handled include: AVCHD, IMX 30 PAL, IMX 50 NTSC, DV PAL, DV NTSC, and uncompressed 8 bit NTSC.
The system crashed twice. We narrowed the cause down to Boris Title 3D items from FCP 4.5 projects. The work around was Live Type.
No problems with the inevitable format mixing.
No problems from the less than optimal drive set-up
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