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How is Film theory viewed in a professional environment?
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[Jon Fidler] “Plus doesnt all this stuff just add up so its one overall meaning per shot anyway, its made out to sound so over complicated in these theory books and to me it sounds like something you could sum up in about thirty seconds.”
+5 for that!
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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And how does this all work in regards to cinematography though, camera angle, colours etc etc
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Scott: I agree!
What I actually want to know is more basic as I completely get all the story stuff. In regards to the cinematography, such as colour, lighting and framing etc, the connotation will be directly linked to the denotation wont it?. Like Scott mentioned above with Vertigo, or as I said earlier, someone is sad in a rainstorm etc to give a cheesy example.
Ive heard all these weird theories how there is all this underlying ideological stuff going on and I just need some proper confirmation that its total nonsense.
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I don’t think you do, John; I think you’ve already made up your mind about it. If this was a camera shot right now, I would have you framed in the foreground, looking at yourself in the nearby mirror, as you argue this over the phone.
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[Mark Suszko] ” you could think about how you edit scenes like that, how you play up or play down the significance of the symbolic object, what cutting techniques you use to make the object more or less important.”
This is true. But people often take this to a ridiculous extreme, or see symbolism where non was intended.
I’m more in the “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar” camp on symbolism.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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Yeah I have its over explained nonsense. But this still doesnt help me with the basic question I asked.
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Maybe you should write to Terrence Malik and ask him to send you the footage because the five editors who worked on it simply added to one huge mess of a film. I found lars Von Triers melancholia to be clear, concise and simple, a beautiful film.
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“The connotative meaning of a single shot will always be related to the denotative meaning, e.g if someone was glum and it was raining etc for a simple example. To me this is stuff I pick up on intuitively and I suspect most people do too. Isnt that the point of this stuff you just have a sense for it. To me like you said this is one of the most enjoyable things about editing being able to insert subliminal ideas.”
my god guys, where do you learn this stuff, this is not rocket science or psychology, it is simply story telling with as much window dressing as you need to cover the lack of an idea. please, keep it simple and out of your heads.
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This is pretty much an endless debate isnt it. I agree Richard, clear concise meanings are the way to go, thanks.
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Whew!
thanks Jon and the very best of a good career, have F.U.N. then we die 🙂Richard Clark’s kiwicafe.com
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