How do I snap to the END of a clip, and not one frame after it?

[Chris Reynolds]

“I edit more than I time.”

So do most of us editors and we would rather have the out point as an out point like it has been in the whole history of editing rather that an arrow back then out. If you like the out point to be one frame late would you also like the CTI to look at the frame before rather that the frame after.

Cheers, Chris

[Les Kaye]

[debe] “I believe I said it would be nice to have the option”

Yes you did – I stand corrected. Thanks.

[Martin Baker]

There is no “right way” or “wrong way”, they’re just different approaches and neither Avid nor Apple are going to change from an “inclusive out” to “exclusive out” points. As time goes by there will be fewer and fewer people who have ever touched a linear setup, so to them the “inclusive out point” is the norm.

Martin
Digital Heaven, London UK
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[Debe]

I don’t know how this devolved.

I merely offered an alternate point of view.

I’ve been editing since the tail end of the 1″ days. Insinuating that I’m inexperienced and therefore my opinion should be nullified due to the fact that you deem me unqualified….well, that just doesn’t seem to fit in with the spirit of an open forum. Forgive me, however, if I’ve misinterpreted your meaning.

There are many many things that FCP does that drive me nuts. There are many things it does that it shouldn’t, There are many things it does that it should do better. There are obviously things it doesn’t do that would be ham-dandy if it did. I’m not disputing any of that.

In my experience, and my very humble opinion, that if I were going to get my bundies in an undle over something, it wouldn’t be this, because this at least makes more sense to me than some of the other things FCP does or doesn’t do that it should not or should do.

I’m not complaining that you don’t agree with me. I don’t care if you don’t agree with me, You’re entitled to your opinion and your workflow, as am I. I was just offering another way to look at it that I find makes it less frustrating. I was hoping to help someone else understand the inner workings of the FCP architecture a wee bit better to give them a chance to not get too frustrated over this, because as I’ve also said, currently we have no choice.

debe

[Tom Wolsky]

As it’s not something I seem to find myself needing to do much, I’m curious why you’re having to go to the last frame of a shot in the timeline so often. What is it you’re doing that makes it happen so often that an extra key stroke is so onerous.

[Chris Reynolds]

go to next edit, snap to next edit or even type in a specific time or duration then press the o key for out and you will either chew into your next frame of the following edit or be one frame too long on the edit you are trying to make. I am not saying that anyone is inexperienced at editing. All I am saying is that 95% of the time when I mark and out in the timeline I have to back up a frame before I mark the out. I don’t see the point!! Yes it is only one extra keystroke and in one day that makes alot of extra keystrokes.

Peace, Chris

[Tom Wolsky]

You’re missing the point I think. I’m trying to ask why you’re marking an out point in the timeline. What is it you’re doing? Are you backtiming something? Why are you needing to marking an out point in the timeline at the end of a shot so often?

[Chris Reynolds]

to edit a shot into the timeline! 3 point editing! to fill in a gap with multipal tracks and the x key wouln’t work. to back time, to cut to miusic, to edit in graphics, etc. I have had this discustion with so many editors and most of them agree, and also claim that they almost always have to press the arrow back before marking an out.

Cheers, Chris

[Tom Wolsky]

You always have to use the back arrow to do what you want. That’s the way the application works. It’s much more like cutting film than cutting tape.

Not sure what you mean by cutting to music, but I usually use marker and mark to markers.

I use superimpose for graphics or mark the out on the graphic.

I guess I just don’t end up in that many situations were replace or X or shift-A won’t work for me.

[Chris Reynolds]

Lightwork is much more like cutting on film and it has the out point as out. Much more friendly way of editing and less keystrokes.