Help with 60i/24pa slow-mos!

[Marc Istook]

Jerry,

I don’t believe I was being stubborn.

From your post, it seems you don’t understand the question I was asking. I’m quite familiar with 24p/23.976 footage and timelines. And I have a great deal of respect for DSE. My issue was with de-interlacing the interlaced footage. Vegas does NOT make it all come out ok if the de-interlacing properties are improperly set. Several tests have proven this to be true. In trying to avoid having to conduct even more tests, I wanted to rely on the collective wisdom of COW users and was merely trying to find out what experience others had with those settings and if they recommended none, blended or interpolate for getting a 40% slo-mo off of 29.97 interlaced footage.

Honestly, it seemed as though this post had been closed. I appreciate you sticking up for DSE, a guy whose opinion I respect greatly. I don’t appreciate you making a personal statement by calling me stubborn when you apparently didn’t understand the intent of my original post.

Regardless, best wishes.

– Marc

[Jerry Waters]

“Stubborn” was an opinion instead of a fact and that was improper. It just seemed like he offered a lot of information and you kept saying it wasn’t what you wanted. My experience with with Vegas deinterlacing involves Cineform Prospect and Vegas did a good job when the properties and output are in sync. I was uprezing from 1440 to 1920. That was my experience.

Maybe no one can answer your question.

[Marc Istook]

I was very thankful for the information that he offered, and I expressed that to him. I had a specific question that wasn’t answered and don’t think I can be blamed for asking the question again, if only so that perhaps a member of the general public might have been able to offer help. It was in no way disrespectful toward DSE — merely an attempt to use this forum as it was intended. When you ask for help, and don’t get a question answered, you ask again, hoping perhaps someone else who’s been in your shoes might provide some insight.

Best wishes,

– Marc

[Douglas Spotted eagle]

K guys….this topic has been beaten to death.
Jerry, I didn’t take any offense at Marc’s post, but I appreciate your comments and kind words. Marc, hopefully you’ve found the answer you’re seeking?

Douglas Spotted Eagle
VASST
Aerial Camera/Instructor
Certified Sony Vegas Trainer

[Marc Istook]

Never was able to get the crystal clear slo-mos I was hoping for, despite playing with all the interlacing settings. I do wonder if it’s in the import of the settings. I imported an entire sequence of b-roll as 1 long clip, even though some of that sequence was shot 24pa, some 29.97. And with “remove pulldown” turned on, I wonder if that affected how Vegas handled the 29.97 footage embedded in a file that, at the beginning, is flagged as 24pa. Regardless, the footage had notable interlacing in a progressive project. I’ve already turned it on, but might run some tests on importing and settings to figure out dealing with this in the future.

Again, thanks very much for your help and time.

Best wishes,
Marc

[Douglas Spotted eagle]

You’ll _never_ get crytal-clear slo mo from interpreted frames, it simply cannot be done. High speed cam is the only way to fly to get crystal clear.
You can try an old method I’ve used, may be it will work.
~two tracks, same vid, both slowed identically
~Offset top track by half a frame (turn off quantize to frames)
~Reduce opacity to 50%
~add a very small amount of sharpening and unsharp mask (assuming DV source, be very careful if HDV/AVCHD source)

Render out a small segment, see if that works for ya.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
VASST
Aerial Camera/Instructor
Certified Sony Vegas Trainer

[Marc Istook]

Thanks for the heads up. I just remember reading a great tutorial about getting good slow-mos from 40% 29.97 footage on a true 24p timeline — that slowing it down 40% matched up each field of 29.97 video with a frame of 24p… Anyway, I’ll keep searching.

Thanks again.