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HD editing/choppy playback/CS3 workflow
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For Premiere Pro performance I’ll give cineform a try and see how it goes.
But still my major problem is playing clips that I export in delivery formats. Eg Mp4,H.264,WMV@8000,Jpeg,PNG, etc.. don’t play very well. But Professional HD material from windows and microsoft play great. Working backwards.. how do they do it?
I think the JVC device is an option for the future screenings, but there must be another way during the editing process.
The show will not be push play and let it rip, but more of a interactive (screen and presenter) kind of like Hollywood Vs powerpoint presentation. So the JVC option might not work that well. I will need to integrate the HD material into a type of “mac Keynote presentation” likeness. (please don’t suggest mac, all my software..etc is windows.) lol.
Playing H.264 plays the same as the others but there is a massive gamma shift that I do not know how to correct. (colors are washed out). They look great in the preview window…When trying with a 8500GT it played pretty good because of the hardware decoder, but again the gamma shift issue.
Keep coming with all your great suggestions.
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[waverideco] “But Professional HD material from windows and microsoft play great. Working backwards.. how do they do it?”
Did you try taking some of this “Professional HD material” and analyzing it with a program like Gspot to see what format it is?
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Sorry for the long reply I’ve been on vacation. Yes I’ve tried programs like Gspot. I know the end format, just not how to get there. I gave cineform a try and it’s a great system. It improved system performance a lot, not perfect, but very good. I’m getting to the point now where I think a quicker raid system (4 hard drives in raid 0) would probably help things as well as a system upgrade all around. Because of the problems at this point I’m probably gonig to produce it in SD for concept to speed up the workflow and then redo it in HD later. Thanks for all your advice and help. Cheers!
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[waverideco] “Yes I’ve tried programs like Gspot. I know the end format, just not how to get there.”
What exactly is the end format? If you can tell us exactly what that format is, we might be able to tell you how to get there.
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To be honest I’m quite open to any high quality codec that plays well. As I
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You haven’t been happy with any of the suggestions offered in this thread for one reason or another.
You say you have an example of a format that you’ve called, “Professional HD material” from Microsoft. You say that you have run GSpot on that format and know the specific information about the format. Yet you won’t share that information, even though I specifically asked you for it.
To be honest, your best bet is to get your footage into the same format as those “Professional HD” files are that you like. The only way for anyone to help you get your files into that format is if you share with us what that format is.
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You haven’t been happy with any of the suggestions offered in this thread for one reason or another.
Mate, I’m sorry if you think I’m being difficult, I’m just trying to find a solution. I’ve tried getting a new hard drive and using cineform – they have been good suggestions and have helped but haven’t solved the problem.
You say you have an example of a format that you’ve called, “Professional HD material” from Microsoft. You say that you have run GSpot on that format and know the specific information about the format. Yet you won’t share that information, even though I specifically asked you for it.
As far as I know Gspot can only read AVIs. I said
Yes I’ve tried programs like Gspot. I know the end format, just not how to get there. (see the period)
To be honest, your best bet is to get your footage into the same format as those “Professional HD” files are that you like. The only way for anyone to help you get your files into that format is if you share with us what that format is.I’ve mentioned multiple times about the final format.
WMV@8500 or quicktime H.264(AAC)@6.85~9.98 30fps
Would you be able to expain what other information I can get?
The Problem is when I press export from premiere (with those settings) or another compression program my export does not look (gamma shift) or play as well as these:
https://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/3
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https://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspxAt Microsoft I doubt they use premiere to export to this site. I would like to know how they do it. What process is used.
Thanks for your patients mate.
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If you think that, I think you are being difficult, it is because either you aren’t answering my questions or I’m not understanding your answer, which would make me the difficult one 😉
My simple question was, “What is the exact format of those “Professional HD” files from Microsoft that you saw in which you liked the performance and quality?”
The only words you’ve used to describe those files are “Professional HD”.
I asked you, if you have run those “Professional HD” files through a program LIKE GSpot (or maybe give them to Vegas which is good at telling you the exact format of files), to determine the exact format of those files.
Your answer was…
[waverideco] “Yes I’ve tried programs like Gspot. I know the end format, just not how to get there. (see the period)”
…If that is the reply to my “What format are those Professional HD files in?”, I assume you are saying, “I know the end format” where “end format” is the format of the “Professional HD” files. I’m just asking what it is.
My theory being, if you have a sample file of the format you want and you share that format with everyone, then maybe someone can tell you how to get the files into that format.
You haven’t even shared the extension of those “Professional HD” files, but you just said…
[waverideco] “As far as I know Gspot can only read AVIs.”
…So my assumption was those “Professional HD” files that you saw from Microsoft were not AVIs, yet I doubt Microsoft would publish a Quicktime file.
[waverideco] “I’ve mentioned multiple times about the final format.
WMV@8500 or quicktime H.264(AAC)@6.85~9.98 30fps”
Are you saying those “Professional HD” files are in “WMV@8500” format?
[waverideco] “At Microsoft I doubt they use premiere to export to this site. I would like to know how they do it. What process is used.”
I doubt they use Premiere (or more specifically Adobe Media Encoder) to export to that site, considering the links hanging off of that page you provided, go to other pages like this one…
https://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/content_provider/wmvhddvd/default.aspx
… that have documents that talk about how they use Windows Media Encoder to encode those files.
For instance there is a link to the “WMV HD DVD Encoding Profile Guidelines” document that describes how to use Windows Media Encoder to achieve the results for those “Professional HD” files. Maybe that will give you some suggestions on what settings to use in Adobe Media Encoder?
If I had more time, I would download those large files and research those white papers for you, now that I at least have links to the files which will allow me to answer the “What format are those Professional HD files in?”
[waverideco] “I’ve tried getting a new hard drive and using cineform – they have been good suggestions and have helped but haven’t solved the problem.”
You asked at least 2 questions in your original post. One was this question about delivery format and the other was regarding timeline performance. The suggestions for cineform and hard drive were suggestions for the timeline performance. I think there is some confusion between the two questions and what answers are being offered as solutions to which question.
[waverideco] “Playing H.264 plays the same as the others but there is a massive gamma shift that I do not know how to correct. (colors are washed out). They look great in the preview window…When trying with a 8500GT it played pretty good because of the hardware decoder, but again the gamma shift issue.”
The only time I’ve seen a “gamma shift issue” was due to overlay settings of the graphics card or settings on a card that had a “hardware decoder” that needed to have the gamma settings tweaked.
Have you determined if the “gamma shift” occurred at the time of writing the file or if it is occurring upon playback? e.g. Have you tried playing those H.264 on a machine that doesn’t have a “hardware decoder” or have you tried searching the graphics card settings for a gamma playback setting?
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Pretty much every editing software package on the market claims HD workflows, but the reality is that you need somekind of hardware assist to work in HD realtime.
I use Axio HD with PPro and I’ve played 7 layers of 720p 60fps DVCPRO HD, all with some CC or effect and 2 layers of titles with no dropped frames.
While I edit in PPro or AE, I have monitoring on a Dell 24″ (1080p pixel-to-pixel), a 42″ plasma, and a downsampled SD image on a Sony PVM, so I know exactly what my video will look like in each delivery format.
Axio is not free, but it’s very reasonable and adds a lot to Production Studio. I usually export HD projects to WMV HD files at VBR averaging around 10Mb/s, and clients can play them off laptops to HD projectors with no dropped frames. On my system with the Axio hardware, I can play Axio HD clips, compressed or uncompressed, through WM player, out to any or all of my monitors (as well as on the desktop) with no dropped frames.
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Whoa man that sounds like a pretty sweet setup. I’ll have to have a look at that for the future because at present I think it would be a little too expensive. You bring up some good points though.
You said that you can export to 10Mb/s VBR and they play great on customer laptops. This would be perfect. If you don’t mind answering a couple questions.. cheers
Do you use the adobe media encoder? Can you tell me the exact settings?
Do you think your intermediate codec helps improve the end result? The hardware?
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