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Great demo of all new Premiere Pro features coming next month
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I’m just curious, Jeremy. On an average show I am making between 1000 to 1500 edits. Are you doing similar?
Tim
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Not possible and easy are two very different things. It is possible to do almost anything in FCPX with workarounds. And the first word there is “work.” And in EVERY OTHER NLE I don’t have to worry about primary or connected story lines. Or what that NLE is going to do that I don’t want it to do.
Tim
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[Jeremy Garchow] “See, this is what I’m talking about. I cut dialogue all the time. I frankenbyte all the time. There is no way that this is not possible in X. It’s easy in either primary or connected story lines.”
First of all I never said it wasn’t possible, only that I heard it wasn’t as easy. But considering the fact that you edit in X and I never have, I will accept that it’s just as easy if you say so. That still leaves me with Ppro having sync indicators and FCPX without them, and as yet no named feature in X (multicam wise) that Ppro is lacking. And to the question are sync indicators (with slip to sync ability)important enough to chose one over the other, the answer is absolutely yes.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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No, I don’t typically do 1500 edit programs.
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[Devin Crane] ” Getting rid of the subscription would be nice.”
Oh, but paying monthly rent is so much fun ! 🙂
camera operator | editor | production assistant
Remember kids, tracks are you friends when you charge by the hour. Track Tetris, game on!
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[Paul Neumann] ” Wondering if I’ve ever encountered this. Probably. Bet I just did that Trim to 0 thing.”
For a single “run through” edit you can also right click on the edit point and choose “join run through edits.” For fixing multiple or all run throughs, choose either the ripple edit tool or rolling edit tool and mouse click on the first clip in the group you want to fix and, keeping the button depressed, drag across multiple edit points. You should see a single white line trailing behind the selector and when you stop all the edit points you have passed over will turn red. Release the mouse, zoom into a run through edit, right click and this time all the run throughs you selected will be fixed. You can do the whole timeline this way.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[TImothy Auld] “It is possible to do almost anything in FCPX with workarounds. And the first word there is “work.” And in EVERY OTHER NLE I don’t have to worry about primary or connected story lines.”
There are about 3 things in X I can think of that require workarounds. Shall I list them?
-no match frame replace (annoying)
-no true batch export
-no clip targeting/simultaneous selection of multiple edit pointsMost everything else, particularly stuff being discussed here, just works differently. It ain’t rocket science. Just different. And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, let me just say that I’ve been working mostly in Pr the last couple weeks. It’s fine. It’d be just as easy for me to list all the “workarounds” I need to do in Pr to accomplish what is dead simple in X. But I won’t because I work with Pr the way it works, and I work with X the way it works.
Like Franken-dialog. Just as easy (easier IMO) in x as anything else. The Bonus in X is that once I get all my phonemes cut, or find the perfect dialog cheat to pix, I can hit a keystroke and lock it up in a single clip. Always in sync, and accessible in my browser. Simple, powerful. To do that in Pr requires a workaround. 🙂
Pr is great. For FCP 7 folks it’s an easy transition, particularly if you cheat and use the FCP 7 KB shortcuts. I don’t because I like to use software the way it was designed to be used, but maybe that’s only me. 😉 I just prefer X. Simpler UI resulting in way less desktop clutter. Really easy to work in the timeline, I can just cut. Every other NLE requires at least some pre-edit thought about where things will go. No tracks to mess with, and I can just toss unused bits at the end of the timeline to store them. Literally just throw them there. 😉 Skimming in general and Clip skimming in particular, that is huge. And, it’s so much easier to find stuff (a huge part of my job) it’s not even worth comparing it with anything else.
I made an FCP X library with all the same media as my Pr project because it’s faster to find something in X, and then just enter the name in the Pr search field to get to it. I’m talking about wading through thousands of SFX and dozens of MX cues (in dozens of bins in Pr). A pleasure in X, a chore in 7, Pr, MC.
Also I never ever need to remember to save. Yesterday, I was working on X and Pr jobs at the same time. I was in X working, Pr in the BG. The computer froze. Not an app crash, just everything locked up requiring a force reboot. Opened X, the edit I had just made was still there. Had to hunt in Pr for a backup, rename it, resave it, and a couple edits were missing. Not really a problem, but little things like that make a big difference. To me anyway.
In any case, the newly announced features in Pr sound nice. Having smart folders will be useful. Good times. 🙂
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[Herb Sevush] “First of all I never said it wasn’t possible, only that I heard it wasn’t as easy. “
Honestly, frankenbytes are super easy with the magnetic timeline, continuous playback, and kb shortcut trimming. Some will call it a work around, some might say it’s the way it works.
[Herb Sevush] “That still leaves me with Ppro having sync indicators and FCPX without them, and as yet no named feature in X (multicam wise) that Ppro is lacking. And to the question are sync indicators (with slip to sync ability)important enough to chose one over the other, the answer is absolutely yes.”
Yep, fair enough. It’s a big feature to not have. I have taken to simply duplicating clips on the timeline (video and all) and adding them as connected. This way, all sync is maintained on each clip everywhere, I just turn on and off what I don’t need, and in X, that is very easy. Yes, it’s a different way to work.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Yes, it’s a different way to work.”
After hearing about FCPX multicam after it came out I was very impressed, to the point where I started considering X for my own work for the first time. I had assumed it was the best multicam feature on the market. After working with Ppro for a while I have been pleasantly surprised to see that it matches up, feature wise, to what X has to offer. There are some bugs – most notably the unwanted cuts in audio 1 I referred too earlier in this thread – but I am pleased to find that it matches up to X on a feature for feature basis. Not superior, merely equivalent. The rest of my preference is based on Ppro’s ability to match my previous workflow. I understand that with X you can always have the unseen video attached to your audio, thereby mitigating the need for sync markers, but learning a whole new workflow to simply do an old thing a different, but not superior, way holds little interest for me. YMMV.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
My M always V!
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