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GREAT article in the Frame.io blog about WHY FCP X went “magnetic.”
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[Neil Goodman] “It’s amazing how differently we all see things, but is it any coincidence your same post on Reddit got pretty much the exact same response with the very similar comments?”
The reddit response I got with the post this time out was about 100 times better than the responses I used to get there when I posted positive notices about how someone was using X in a pro setting.
I’d say the overall tenor there has gone from 90% negative to perhaps 60% negative – with some of the most experienced voices now agreeing that X is a viable choice for ALL editors.
That’s a HUGE shift.
And yes, it happened here earlier than it happened in some of the Reddit subs.
The battleship USS Opinion turns slowly – as I experienced right here in this group.
Change is hard.
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[Bill Davis] “Change is hard. “
Perhaps this is why you get so much push back. No one here is opposed to change. I’m personally a big fan of the constant evolution and change within the post industry. If we hated change the video post industry would be constantly frustrating because change is happening all of the time with our technology.
You have a very myopic approach to your proselytizing for FCPX and you often leave no room for debate or discussion because you spend an inordinate amount of time defending FCPX and what you see as unfair and unenlightened criticism towards it.
Live and let live is a pretty ideal motto for life.
I Hate Television. I Hate It As Much As Peanuts. But I Can’t Stop Eating Peanuts.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “It’s probably important to note that in his first post, Shane also said this:
[Shane Ross] “There is a lot right about the the timeline, like no collisions and keeping storylines connected, I’ll give him that. And I know that the magnetic timeline is AMAZING for many MANY people. I get that, I’m not knocking that. It’s useful, it’s great, I know that. But the article is full of wrong and misleading statements. And there are many valid arguments for tracks…but just because someone doesn’t like them or see the point to them doesn’t mean they are useless, or a hinderance.””Don’t suppose you feel like quoting the stuff I posted trying to be similarly conciliatory?
Like:
[Bill Davis] “NOBODY is saying there aren’t valid arguments for tracks.
“And
[Bill Davis] “What it IS is a reasoned call to the class of editors who have not explored the IDEA of X to possibly give it their own shot to see if it provides something they might find value in exploring.That’s ALL it is. “
We could do this all day – but more on-point (to my mind at least, I could be wrong) is the tone of this in the very area YOU quote.
[Franz Bieberkopf] “But the article is full of wrong and misleading statements. And there are many valid arguments for tracks…but just because someone doesn’t like them or see the point to them doesn’t mean they are useless, or a hinderance.””
I’m confused. Is it “FULL” of wrong and misleading statements – or were those just in the preamble to the article?
I didn’t see any such statement about “useless” or “hinderance” in the original article.
So basically, Shane was being a bit hyperbolic EXACTLY in the same fashion I responded.
That’s been kinda the “or Not” default process for YEARS now.
Hyperbole met with countering hyperbole.
Shane is a really cool dude. We met years ago and I really liked him. He’s also VERY passionate about his positions – as (obviously) am I.
I’m just unsure why when he feels the need to deploy HIS hyperbole here its copacetic – but when an X supporter (like me) responds in kind – the big guns need to appear to call it out.
Regardless – it appears to have lured you back into participation – and that’s a very good thing.
So welcome back.
It’s been too long.
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[greg janza] “and you often leave no room for debate or discussion because you spend an inordinate amount of time defending FCPX and what you see as unfair and unenlightened criticism towards it.
“The way I was raised – “debate or discussion” cannot exist UNLESS there is a robust defense of conflicting viewpoints.
It’s kinda the DEFINITION of “debate or discussion” actually – hardly the same as allowing no room for it – it IS it.
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I meant more along the lines of people not liking the way this guy talked about time and editing, and that they too thought that was a horrible way to start of the article just as Shane and myself and others noticed.
Again nothing to do directly with X.
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Bill, the only thing I took issue with was the setup of the article, the assumptions made about editing…cutting in ways no one cuts. That’s all. You went on to defend FCX like I was attacking it, I wasn’t. I was just saying “the case he is trying to make for the magnetic timeline being superior is flawed. He’s describing a style of editing that no one does, and using that to show how FCX is better.”
that’s all.
Shane
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Bill,
We were talking about your concern for “ragging” in this thread. For substantial support regarding comments on the article, read the other comments in this thread.
[Bill Davis] “So basically, Shane was being a bit hyperbolic”
Tim posted that he regretted when people “rag” on what someone else is doing – demean their efforts to support their own.
You claimed that the “genesis of this thread” was precisely that – “ragging”. The implication (“the first dozen posts”) was that Shane had demeaned the original article and its writer to support himself.
Now you’re saying it’s just hyperbole that you don’t like.
Do I have this correctly?
Tim’s original post – the one you based your comment on – was not concerned with people being hyperbolic.
Tim was concerned about misrepresenting others – how they work, what they think, talking for other people, about what they do, and how they do it in order to create a straw man that can be knocked down to support an argument. There are many examples (which have been given) of how the writer of the original article does this.
Tim then made an effort (once again) to encourage people to share how they work and why. Rather than making claims about others.
Presumably you posted the article here for comment. I see Shane’s comments as calling out errors and poor and writing. You said you felt it was “ragging” but now you feel it is just “hyperbole”. Or the “wrong tone”.
[Bill Davis] “… more on-point (to my mind at least, I could be wrong) is the tone of this in the very area YOU quote.”
Here’s the quote again:
[Shane Ross] “There is a lot right about the the timeline, like no collisions and keeping storylines connected, I’ll give him that. And I know that the magnetic timeline is AMAZING for many MANY people. I get that, I’m not knocking that. It’s useful, it’s great, I know that. But the article is full of wrong and misleading statements. And there are many valid arguments for tracks…but just because someone doesn’t like them or see the point to them doesn’t mean they are useless, or a hinderance.”
I read this as pretty measured. You’re saying this is out of line for the forum (the “wrong tone”) and this is the “ragging” that you objected to?
Franz.
P.S. Thank-you for the welcome back – it’s a pleasure to be welcomed – it was the promise of expanding on ideas with Walter (and possibly learning something) that I couldn’t resist. But the constant hostile environment and retreads of tired arguments and straw men is quite off-putting, and frankly it is no wonder to me why there are so few fresh voices and perspectives in this forum. -
[Franz Bieberkopf] “and frankly it is no wonder to me why there are so few fresh voices and perspectives in this forum.”
It’s ironic that one or two of the other people who worry about this are the very people who are causing it
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[Shane Ross] “Ah, found it.”
Me too, I laughed out loud when I recognised Bill’s “Voice” immediately!
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[Tony West] “”FCP X, it’s two lawn mowers””
This is a work of art.
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