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Scott Witthaus
April 3, 2014 at 7:43 pmSorry Lance, not a personal jab.
I find the Library structure to be great. Not too long agoI was over at an agency showing their people the basics of FCPX. These were creatives, producers, designers, etc. The asked me to describe the structure and using one of their clients, Pizza Hut, I simply said ‘a Library is all the pizza and food footage you shoot in a day, month year, whatever (Pizza Hut Food Footage 2014). Your Events are your spot campaigns. “Large Pizza Giveaway” campaign. Your spots for that campaign are the Projects that live inside the event. All that food footage is available to every campaign for the year. To these folks, who had never heard of bins, sub-clips and sequences, it all made perfect sense. Big buckets > smaller buckets > spot.
Its harder for us who have used those “old” terms for years and years.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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Aindreas Gallagher
April 3, 2014 at 7:50 pm[Steve Connor] “it’s not a bad basic editor and I found it has an Audio Mixer as well”
that gets a bit weird for my little head, and i think its cart before horse in a way.
The thing that struck me noodling with it was that, if you could get get competence and acceptable results in SG, the entire issue of the master edit being adrift and unlocked is moot. At least for some kinds of things? The entire final grade operation ties directly back into the live edit master as applied per shot lumtri engine effects. I know that’s all totally duh, but I never worked it through for smaller mid projects. any last minute editorial changes post grade master are ludicrously trivial because premiere is itself always the live master. you never really went anywhere. You could even alt drag replace in ppro same setup alternate shots say, while retaining the applied colour grade master lumetri effect. jump into SG again for last tweaks, jump back to premiere for last frame finess. repeat.
the idea that there is another somewhat manipulatable edit version sitting off away in davinci is a completely different thing. attempting to shove the master edit last minute revise capability into the colour correction suite is a lot different to the edit master always remaining in the edit system continuous with and after final colour grading.
*edit* thinking about it – just to go fully retard on this – what I mean say is that if it’s the davinci timeline: then you’ve now got a second edit instance going with new edit decisions being generated, possibly on a money clock, and you’re still left doing a final print in the room? for the reasons people go to resolve or baselight for certain kinds of high order corporate shot material – and where its not, say, a loopers *track mattes everywhere for cc* resolve thunderdome commercial situation – given they could get into roughly the same necessary cc territory with luts tracker masks and colour space while keeping local edit control with SG, doesn’t SG look kind of sensible?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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David Mathis
April 3, 2014 at 8:44 pmIt took me sometime getting used to the organization structure but find it useful. I do sometimes miss bins but really like how you can organize stuff. I guess sometimes old habits are hard to break and sometimes it is difficult to adjust to new ways of doing things.
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Douglas K. dempsey
April 3, 2014 at 9:15 pmCouldn’t agree more on iMovie to FCPX. I teach a video class for the art department at a private school, high school kids. Many have seen and used iMovie, they instantly get FCPX and they’re on their way! We do have CS6 on all the iMacs, and a few kids gravitate to PPro. But especially for students coming out of other art classes, photography and theatre depart, they want to dive right into to the artistic process, and find X intuitively obvious.
My only agreement with Lance is the counter-intuitive language of Events and Projects. It doesn’t affect the work, it’s just a superficial complaint.
Doug D
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John Heagy
April 3, 2014 at 9:18 pmI have to agree especially the lasting effect Apple’s arrogance has had. Both the incredible botched rollout and terminology change.
We finally purchased CC and I literally breathed a big sigh of relief what I saw all the preferences necessary to a professional workflow.
John
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Bret Williams
April 3, 2014 at 9:34 pmTo each their own, but I’d treat libraries like you’re treating events. I wouldn’t load up X with a whole companies videos into RAM all at once any more than I’d open all the projects from a company at once in legacy or premier or avid.
I can see where it can be handy, but if each project is generally going to be constrained to an event, then I’d have multiple libraries. Keep them all in a folder for the client on the drive of course. But you’d be able to load up just the events needed. But that’s just me. I can see the benefit of keeping a companies videos all in one library, but how does that pan out over a year, two years, 10 years? That’s one massive library to load up.
I guess nobody knows yet.
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Bret Williams
April 3, 2014 at 9:38 pmOnce I open a library, you’ll never see the word event, project, or library anyway. My library has a project name. And inside I have one event named sequences and one called media. In fact, the only place library is ever seen or mentioned would be in the menus. Ditto with project and event. Just pretend the names don’t exist.
But can’t disagree with the dynamic link stuff and adobe. Just wish I could buy it.
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Don Scioli
April 3, 2014 at 10:16 pmI don’t know. Opening Avid and CC now is like being Marty McFly and going back to the 90’s with the workflow and UI. I admit FCPX was buggy, etc at first, but the last few updates have been great and my workflow has really taken off. We edit commercials, web videos, broadcast TV, feature length documentaries, and even some multi- cam, all HD 1080i and I can say post has never been quicker and less painless.
Okay, so you have to learn a bit of new terminology, this is good for the brain, so who is complaining. Also, having spoken several times with the FCPX project manager, Apple is 100% committed to the pro users. And, add the new Mac Pro to this equation, what a combo for productivity.
The future IS here now.
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Gabe Strong
April 3, 2014 at 11:15 pmIt’s interesting to read this as I’ve taken the opposite path. Longtime FCP user. Changed from FCP 7 to CS6 as it was easier than learning X. Then Adobe decided to only allow rental! Buh bye Adobe! And for those
talking about all the CC upgrades….um FCP X ha been upgraded even MORE often……for free! And costs
about the same 6 months rental from Adobe.Gabe Strong
G-Force Productions
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Charlie Austin
April 3, 2014 at 11:39 pm[Gabe Strong] ” And for those
talking about all the CC upgrades….um FCP X ha been upgraded even MORE often……for free! And costs
about the same 6 months rental from Adobe.”Yeah, but FCP X doesn’t have tracks or 7000 tabs, windows and preference panes. And it uses different names for stuff. No true professional would ever use it. 😉
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