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FW 800
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Is it true to say that using SATA leaves the firewire bus open to connect a deck for capture?
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Joslyn,
If you want a firewire raid as fast as a SATA raid you’ll have to buy it from Walter, he has the only ones in existence that are comparible. If he won’t sell to you then you’ll most likely have to settle for SATA for the best performance like everyone else. SATA write speeds are nearly 3X that of the very fastest firewire 800, and this holds true for single drives and raid configurations. See the benchmark tests at http://www.barefeats.com/hard35.html
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The beauty of FW is portability. You can easily take the drive home, to the hotel, on your laptop, or plug it into any existing FCP system without additional hardware. We use FW exclusively for offline editing.
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[Ed] “There are very few reasons to use FW anymore for anything related to video capture”
I also disagree, While I firmly believe that the faster the storage the better – you do a disservice to all cow readers by making such an unfounded statement.
FW is a established standard that works without any additional hardware on all macs and most pc’s. it is cross platform and portable. While SATA is available as an internal option, I do not know of a single mfg. that has a computer shipping with a built in external connection for SATA in the manner that FW has been implemented.
[Ed] “A 2 drive FW RAID won’t be fast enough for DVCProHD,”
with w/ a statement like that you obviously do not work with DVCPROHD HD at all.
DVCPROHD content @ 720p24 is less than 6mgs per second,and I am capable of doing 5 streams of that kind of content on my G-Raid.
My G-Raid Pro can handle 2 streams of Standard Def 10bit uncompressed video without issue.gary adcock
Studio37
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What I like about sata systems is the abillity to hot swap the drives. I have a client who has me scheduled for 2 more shoots this year and the footage will be added to his promo dvd from last year. (remote wilderness tours) The entire project is still on hard drives on the shelf waiting for the new material to be edited in and re-authored to dvd. By purchaseing extra drive caddys for about $15.00 you can have a dozen or so drives ready to change in your sata docks. If all your machines have extrnal sata card adapters this is a versatile set up and all you do to expand is add actual hard drives plus the $15.00 caddys. One manufacturer I saw recently has a 5 drive enclosure that can be paired with a second one and they make a horizontal rack mount case that holds them both, forming a 10 unit rack system. Now thats expandability! External sata arrays have been the most progressively expanding technology for video storage of late and have stepped up to fill the gap between portable FW drives and high end FC arrays.
For your own storage solution my choice is the sata enclosures but for transfering files or projects between ANY workstations the
“new GDriveQ, which is USB2, FW400 and 800, and e-SATA, all in one case.” [ed]
looks like the most versatile.Things have gotten very sweet in the video storage department lately. About the only thing I hear of crashing are the prices! Gee… someone must be about due to introduce an affordable solid state storage solution.
“everything is broken”
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[duffer Schultz] “Is it true to say that using SATA leaves the firewire bus open to connect a deck for capture?”
yes,
however adding a $80 FW card can allow you to do that very same thing for either your laptop or desktop, by separating the storage from the deck control and capture.gary adcock
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Whoa, easy boy! I clearly misspoke. I meant to compare HD to DVCProHD, not DVCProHD to DVCPro50, my mistake
(and admittedly a big one). Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.
I do, however, stand by my other statement about FW vs SATA. I repeat, “there are very few reasons to use FW anymore…”
How is it a disservice to cow-readers to say that SATA is most of the things you tout for FW (and will soon be all the things you mention)?
Sure you need a SATA card, but it’s faster than FW, more reliable, cross-platform and portable. Everyone’s bought FW cards, how
difficult is it to buy a SATA card? One of the few reasons to use FW is if you have to send a drive to someone that doesn’t have SATA,
a good reason, but not enough of a reason to use a slower, less reliable standard. I will always suggest to people who ask,
that they should buy SATA as their primary storage. If you need FW too, go for it.
Macs didn’t always have the SCSI cards we all needed to do video editing back in the 90s either, but somehow we all managed to buy
cards and use them. FW is convenient right out of the box, but hardly the reason to use it instead of SATA.
Ed[gary adcock] “[Ed] “There are very few reasons to use FW anymore for anything related to video capture”
I also disagree, While I firmly believe that the faster the storage the better – you do a disservice to all cow readers by making such an unfounded statement.
FW is a established standard that works without any additional hardware on all macs and most pc’s. it is cross platform and portable. While SATA is available as an internal option, I do not know of a single mfg. that has a computer shipping with a built in external connection for SATA in the manner that FW has been implemented.
[Ed] “A 2 drive FW RAID won’t be fast enough for DVCProHD,”
with w/ a statement like that you obviously do not work with DVCPROHD HD at all.
DVCPROHD content @ 720p24 is less than 6mgs per second,and I am capable of doing 5 streams of that kind of content on my G-Raid.
My G-Raid Pro can handle 2 streams of Standard Def 10bit uncompressed video without issue.” -
I can’t wait for solid state!
It is coming. At some point, not too long from now, your thumb drive won’t just have a few files which you’re sneaker netting around the facility, but all your projects and media.
Ron
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[Ed] “A 2 drive FW RAID won’t be fast enough for DVCProHD, but will
be for DVCPro50, except you won’t get multiple layers.”That’s absolutely incorrect. 2 Drive G-RAID’s work perfectly for DVCPro HD and I’ve even mastered several episodes off these drives when we had two systems running and just the one Fibre Channel array.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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[David Roth Weiss] “If you want a firewire raid as fast as a SATA raid you’ll have to buy it from Walter, he has the only ones in existence that are comparible”
What can I say, I’m a devout member of the McGuyver fan club and figured out the right combination of rubber bands, paper clips and a pencil to get the most speed out of them.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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