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Focus – Light Iron videos
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I’m only here to comment on this line:
“Using Final Cut Pro X to edit Focus is about getting FCP X to explore an entirely new world of workflow potential and do everything better than other NLEs.”
“New world of workflow potential.” GAG!! What complete Silicon Valley PR babble techno-speak. Seems as if it came from a Corporate BS Generator:
https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html
WORLFLOW POTENTIAL? Lordy. So, it’s not a new workflow…but a POTENTIAL workflow? What a load of PR hackery…
Sorry, that line just made me throw up in my mouth a little.
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “”New world of workflow potential.” GAG!! What complete Silicon Valley PR babble techno-speak. Seems as if it came from a Corporate BS Generator:”
Everything has flowery language like that though. I hate going to demos or reading behind-the-scenes PR pieces from any company because it’s 80% PR crap and 20% useful information. Whenever a new version of a production drops I might hit the manufacturers page to see the bullet list of new things, but I’ll always wait for more hands on accounts from guys like Scott Simmons or Oliver Peters (or you Shane) to see how well the new features really pan out.
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[tony west] “As X has simplified some of the nuts and bolts of editing, you still will need top end talent to cut. People who that’s their main thing.”
I pretty much agree with Tony.
Apple made a much more approachable NLE in FCP X and that jives with their goal of aiming for a broader market. More video content is being created now than ever before and the vast majority of that content is being cut by people that do not edit 10hrs a day, every day.
The message, to me, isn’t You no longer need a full time Editor. The message is, You no longer need to be a full time Editor to effectively wrap your head around an NLE.
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[Andrew Kimery] “The message, to me, isn’t You no longer need a full time Editor. The message is, You no longer need to be a full time Editor to effectively wrap your head around an NLE.”
YOU get that message. But there are many out there that feel that the only thing the editor contributes is knowing the complex NLE. Many feel that with the NLE being easily understood, that editing itself…the storytelling aspect, must be easy too. So why hire an expensive editor when I have FCX? I can do it myself?
Until they really see how tough it is.
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “YOU get that message. But there are many out there that feel that the only thing the editor contributes is knowing the complex NLE. Many feel that with the NLE being easily understood, that editing itself…the storytelling aspect, must be easy too. So why hire an expensive editor when I have FCX? I can do it myself?
Until they really see how tough it is.”
Agreed, it’s a progression through a rough spot, if you will, but other industries (and aspects of our industry) have gotten through it and so will editors. Some people will experiment with editing and find that they kinda suck at it, or it takes them too long or whatever and will go back to hiring full time editors and have a greater appreciation for the job. Other people will experiment with editing and find they can meet their own needs. Others still will land someplace in the middle (they’ll do some of their own editing but still hire editors for bigger projects).
It’s kinda like home improvement. Anyone can go to Home Depot or Lowes (and boy do those TV commercials make you feel empowered) and buy/rent all the tools and materials they need to take on projects big and small, yet there is still a big market for professionals. And even within that pro market you have some guys that are do a little bit of everything (like a handiman) and some guys that are very specialized (only do tile or framing).
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I feel accomplished when I can hang a mantle on my own! But yeah, major home repair…I call in the professionals.
Shane
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[Walter Soyka] “Whose movie was Cold Mountain?”
Annie Proulx.
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[Shane Ross] “[Andrew Kimery] “The message, to me, isn’t You no longer need a full time Editor. The message is, You no longer need to be a full time Editor to effectively wrap your head around an NLE.”
YOU get that message. But there are many out there that feel that the only thing the editor contributes is knowing the complex NLE. Many feel that with the NLE being easily understood, that editing itself…the storytelling aspect, must be easy too. So why hire an expensive editor when I have FCX? I can do it myself?
Until they really see how tough it is.”
I’ve found that to be very true in my work. Over the years, I’ve been involved in a number of projects where I’ve gotten a bunch of footage and a vague description of what the project owner wanted me to do with it. I would then cut it together, get some unhelpful feedback and then refine the edit. Afterwards, all praises would go to the project owner, and they would be lauded for their creativity… same thing with a number of motion graphics projects I’ve been involved in. Obviously, some producers are better than others, but there is certainly a class of people who see production and post production folks as uncreative button pushers, and not much more.
Shawn
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[Bill Davis] “But with NBC and Fox scrambling for X editors”
“Scrambling” is a bit of a stretch. There was one post about NBC looking for editors for ONE specific project. Hardly means that there scrambling to do away with all the other NLE’S and Editors. As someone who has worked for both NBC and FOX recently – I can tell you Avid is still alive and well over there and from what i hear not going away anytime soon.
Is that a dig at X – not at all – Just giving you the facts which are sometimes absent from your posts.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] ” historically, the director and the editor might as well be the same person right?”
Well yes, actually, historically they might.
I see no reason, historical or otherwise that a film director couldn’t or shouldn’t edit his own film. Most film directors have specific areas of strength and other areas where they are more reliant on the talents of others. Many directors were film editors at an earlier point in their careers – do you suppose Hal Ashby was hands off in the editing room when they made Being There or David Lean when he was cutting Lawrence? Some editors make enormous creative contributions to the films they work on, others work under the shot by shot guidance of a director, and pretty much nobody outside of the editing room knows who contributed what. There is nothing more mysterious than what an editor’s contribution to a given film might be – I actually don’t understand how they can give awards for it without knowing what was going on in the editing room.
The notion that the directors of Focus, the plurality of which is more historically unusual than their intimate involvement with the editing, should not be directly cutting some of the scenes in their own film makes as much sense as being surprised that a director will re-write some dialogue on the set. It’s not always a good idea, depending on the individuals involved, but it’s not some sort of a crime.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf
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