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Five Days in Vegas – Notes from the field.
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[Mitch Ives] “If you’re all cuts and dissolves, none of this matters.
“That’s an interesting take on it when you consider that X was released with a new version of Motion, which makes it the opposite of cuts only.
The main reason I gave X a look in the beginning when others thought it was a toy, was I looked at the good reviews the new Motion was getting at the time.
I don’t see that option in R 11 at this point.
X has a ton of audio tools. They moved the power of Logic into X
I didn’t see that type of power in R 11 either, maybe it’s hidden.I think it’s a tip of the hat to Apple to see them trying so hard to rip X off.
the inspector window, the straight up copy of those audio fade handles
those things are without getting into the organization I like in X and the “track-less” timeline.
They should have ripped off the skimmer also. I loooove me some skimmer : )
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[Charlie Austin] “If this sort of timeline is what you’ve been waiting for, great. 🙂 I guess that I haven’t been missing tracks as much as some people… 😉 I agree that it’d be nice if KB trimming in X activated the 2 up display (or maybe 4 someday) and Apple put bezier handles in all the Video Animation tabs, not just opacity…”
Exactly my thoughts, but like you I use X. I do think R11 looks like the ultimate plugin for FCP X… assuming the back and forth is as seamless as BMD thinks…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “I do think R11 looks like the ultimate plugin for FCP X… assuming the back and forth is as seamless as BMD thinks…”
That’s pretty much what I’m looking forward to. I suspect Apple is beefing up fcpxml with every update, so I hope it’ll be pretty seamless as well 🙂
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I completely agree with you here Tony, there are so many thing that FCP does very well. I really began to like the software when 10.1 came out, this was far the biggest improvement. The only area that needs improvement is with key frames. It took me an adjustment period, but really enjoy working with the current version. It makes editing fun again.
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[Chris Northcross] “I’m guessing that you do find the trimming functions in FCP X pathetic? What about the trim tools do you find lacking or not up to par?”
Actually no. My post was a compendium of comments regarding FCP X. Some people believe the database warrants living with any short-coming… others think the trimming is pathetic( heard that one behind me in the BMD booth and again from someone else at the SuperMeet.
Do I think the trimming is great? No. One look at R11 and you see what I believe is a far more intuitive approach. I’ll be interested in hearing other peoples comments once they use it…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Bill Davis] “But I’m open to possibly misunderstanding you, Mitch. And others, lets make this an open discussion – what is it about trimming operations that X is specifically missing?”
Bill, this could be a long discussion and this week I’ll be a bit pressed with the new Mac Pro arriving tomorrow and all the setup and transfer. In the meantime while others thrash this about, I’ll comment briefly.
The first obvious answer is asymmetric trimming. If you don’t use it I suppose it doesn’t count. I never really understood it’s value until I saw an Avid editor explain it to me. In some situations it’s damn handy.
I don’t think a myriad of keyboard shortcuts and ancillary windows are a replacement for a faster more intuitive method like R11. The way the tool can be changed to all trim options simply by mouse position. No keyboard commands required. The ability to choose which tracks (dirty word here I know) is also very useful. I suppose I should say choose which resources?
And of course the four up window is something to wish for in FCP X…
I’ll try to watch this thread while I’m doing the edit equivalent of a tax audit… transferring TB’s of files and installing all the programs from scratch… hope I’m not on suicide watch by the end of the week…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Tony, not sure I understand completely, since I agree with your thoughts. I guess maybe I’m the only one that doesn’t see it as an either/or choice. BMD clearly borrowed from X… now I’d like to see Apple borrow from R11…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “BMD clearly borrowed from X… now I’d like to see Apple borrow from R11…”
We agree, I would to.
The competition should make them all better, which will be better for us as editors : )
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You left out dynamic trimming. I’d put that one first. Not having dynamic trimming is pathetic in my book. Asymetric trimming is a cool demo, but I can’t remember ever needing it. My brain just doesn’t work asymmetrically. I don’t think. Does it? Nah.
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[Bret Williams] “Asymetric trimming is a cool demo, but I can’t remember ever needing it. “
Of course you need it, every editor does whether they know it or not 🙂
Asymmetric trimming isn’t some kind of black art which is only useful in extremely rare circumstances, it’s just a natural consequence of a well designed trim tool. A tool that lets you trim heads or tails as required, without imposing artificial limits.
Trimming the head of one clip (e.g. video) and the tail of another (e.g. audio) is hardly some kind of edge case, it’s an extremely common operation. Don’t you ever have a need to trim the head of a video clip, while taking the same number of frames off the tail of a music track? Why would you want to break such a common task into several discrete steps? With asymmetric trimming you do it in one step, and everything stays in sync automatically. Very handy, and I can’t imagine editing without it.
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