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Final Cut 6 and Apple Color vieo preview problem
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yeah, all of this is fine. I have Kona 3 and JVC 24″ LCD with the Cinemage 42″ coming in a few days. HOWEVER, don’t you guys hate when your client says “hey, that doesn’t look like what we’ve just done!” after sending the video back to FCP? I just hate to repeat myself to every new client, and you know some clients who just stare at you and think you know what 😉 With this single reason and other few, I’m thinking about moving onto something else.
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Nook Kim
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[Nook Kim] “HOWEVER, don’t you guys hate when your client says “hey, that doesn’t look like what we’ve just done!” after sending the video back to FCP?”
Doesn’t happen here. If it did, I couldn’t use Color. We have Kona 3’s connected to Flanders Scientific 2450W’s and a 1760W. What we see in Color is what we get in Final Cut Pro.
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[Nook Kim] “HOWEVER, don’t you guys hate when your client says “hey, that doesn’t look like what we’ve just done!” after sending the video back to FC”
Do you have examples of this?
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It is obvious that a professional calibrated monitor and a video capture card output is the best environment for proper color correction, but this has nothing to do with the fact that you don´t see the same in Color preview and Final Cut preview in the same computer monitor. Final Cut introduces some gamma shift to this preview assuming your monitor is calibrated at 1.8 gamma to make it look closer to a video monitor or PC system or whatever in the world except for default macs that would rather have a 2.2 gamma. It ignores whatever color profile your monitor has, an make gamma adjustments to get your 1.8 to 2.2, making things darker. It is only a preview thing, it doesn´t affect final rendered movies played in quicktime, unless you check in Quicktime preferences “behave like Final Cut” or something like that. The big trouble, is that no other program behaves like that, including Color (weirdly). That´s why you see it different when you switch between them. In Color you will see whatever your calibration is. In Final Cut you will have this 0.4 gamma displacement. It’s quite ridiculous, but it works like that. So if you want to see the same, save two different color profiles for your monitor, one at 1.8 gamma, and the other one at 2.2., and switch between them as you switch between FCP and Color.
If you get a video card like AJA or Blackmagic you wouldn’t have this problem, but it has nothing to do with the quality of the monitor you link outputs, but because FCP doesn’t make any gamma adjustment on the signal outputting through them. It only does it with your computer’s monitor in canvas or Preview windows. -
javier thank you very much for you reply. finally we can have a clear explanation on why weird color shift happens between color and fcp.
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Yes thanks Javier.
it finally makes more sense.
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Glad to hear I helped. I hope new FCP7 don´t have this stupid function or at least let users to activate it or not. And if they don’t, make it clearer to all FCP users, as this is a REALLY IMPORTANT thing to know: if you edit FCP and don´t have a external preview via third party hardware you should stick within 1.8 gamma inside FCP, and swich back to 2.2 with all others (Color, Motion, AFX, Combustion…. all of the rest).
Apple guys…. that’s weird, isn’ it???
Rumours say that Snow Leopard will finally go for 2.2 gamma. Why don’t FCP just leave users to proper calibrate their monitors and show video in this color profile, as every other in the world piece of profesional software and leave this kind of auto adjustments for iMovie and DVD player???
Besides, FCP7, doesn’t it look like a minor upgrade, say… 6.0.7, maybe 6.1?? I espected it to come with Snow Leopard and huge improvements. A little disapointment here -
Hello
Thanks you Javier for this clear and efficient answer.
I have the same problem than Bruno… now i knwo 🙂
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