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Brett Sherman
August 27, 2014 at 1:24 pmI will take a look at Prelude. Is it on CS6? Our organization is still on CS6 for obvious reasons. (Ahem) Would I lose any metadata when I import into FCP X and will it allow me to retain original camera codec (XDCAM HD Canon and AVCHD) and be fully optimized to work in FCP X?
Not having spaces in the name is no big deal for me. I’m used to it.
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Dennis Radeke
August 27, 2014 at 1:34 pm[Brett Sherman] “I will take a look at Prelude. Is it on CS6?”
Unfortunately, the file renaming feature is a part of Creative Cloud, but Prelude is a part of CS6.
Metadata in Adobe applications is based on XMP. File name and basic meetadata that are intrinsic to the file such as frame size, frame rate, etc. will come across, but other metadata (such as temporal metadata from Prelude) I don’t think would come across.
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Richard Herd
August 27, 2014 at 3:22 pmI am also on CS6 (because the accounting department requires software to be “capital.” I will continue to argue for CC). So is DL, which means Bridge (or automator) are useful.
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Jeremy Garchow
August 27, 2014 at 3:34 pmAVCHD is not a great format for professional work. I don’t like the duplicity either.
That being said, I always try to minimize disaster recovery. I haven’t been seeing problems with using just FCPX, especially with the much better relinking that 10.1.2 introduced (simply select the top most level of footage and let FCPX do the rest).
You can always choose to transcode using FCPX, or not, and that process is very easy. Instead of having to go back to Prelude (or ClipWrap, or whatever) and make a new subset of media based off of the original camera media, just re-import the footage to FCPX and transcode whenever you need to (now or later).
Final Cut now organizes clips in a folder based on the camera metadata date (just like it used to with the files) so the Finder is more organized by date. I prefer to have my file names match the original clip media, as I can always find my way back. I realize that this may not be a popular option, but I found when FCPX renamed the original media, it was harder to go and find the camera original media if needed.
Also, FCPX (or the OS) seems to track the files. So, if you choose to import the AVCHD AND transcode, then trash the original media, X will still link to the optimized. When you choose to move those optimized files, X will still link to them.
But wait, there’s more!
If you change the file name in the Finder, move the files out of the date structure, X will still keep the files linked.
I find X’s system, to be a very solid system, but it may not work for everyone.
Jeremy
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Jeremy Garchow
August 27, 2014 at 3:43 pm[Gary Huff] “2) As far as I know, FCPX still cannot correctly interpret 30p footage from a Canon C100 (it’s 60i with 2:2 pulldown applied but the flag for the pulldown is wrong or something). I do a lot of 30p work, so this makes sure I don’t get any interlacing.”
FCPX has field dominance overrides if this is a problem.
Jeremy
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Gary Huff
August 27, 2014 at 5:49 pm[Jeremy Garchow] “FCPX has field dominance overrides if this is a problem.”
Yeah, but I prefer my workflow to be as fool-proof as possible. Any setting that can be toggled on and off that can make a huge difference in the quality of footage does not sit well with me.
Would rather process it in ClipWrap and not worry about it, then miss out on a clip or two or suddenly find out that the override has become deactivated for some reason.
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Brett Sherman
August 27, 2014 at 7:24 pm[Jeremy Garchow] “Final Cut now organizes clips in a folder based on the camera metadata date (just like it used to with the files) so the Finder is more organized by date. I prefer to have my file names match the original clip media, as I can always find my way back. I realize that this may not be a popular option, but I found when FCPX renamed the original media, it was harder to go and find the camera original media if needed.”
I definitely see how the new structure is useful for some people. Sl there should be a preference item to allow either. But, imagine yourself in my place having to relink a project that you finished years ago that might have media in 100 different folders. Each of them with identical names… Clip #1, Clip #2, etc. How would you know which clip is which? Unique names just make a whole hell of a lot of sense.
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Jeremy Garchow
August 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm[Brett Sherman] “Each of them with identical names… Clip #1, Clip #2, etc. How would you know which clip is which? “
X’s relinking is much smarter than it used to be.
Also, if you use X to import avchd, the reel name becomes the name of the folder you imported from (like fcp7) so if all hell has truly broken loose, you may have a guide.
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Darren Roark
August 28, 2014 at 10:31 pmI just don’t understand why Sony, Canon, Panasonic and others I may be forgetting don’t make this easier.
All the hoop jumping just trying to find the current plugin in order to play the footage is such a pain.
The weird naming choices, all the extra text files that come along for the ride, all the weird things you have to remember as not to screw everything up on import, so overly complicated.
Working with Blackmagic or Alexa prores files is a dream. All the metadata comes through embedded into the clip file, no muss no fuss.
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Jp Pelc
September 2, 2014 at 9:13 pmPrelude is available in CS6. So you could purchase it and own it, although I’m not sure what the price is
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