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FCS 3 upgrade NOT worth $299…
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As a very long-time user, I love the update as well but let’s all admit that it is rather modest compared to previous ones.
And the earlier poster’s comments on keyframing are well taken. I simply won’t do any movement (of mortices, etc) in FCP since it is unable to do a nice ease-in ease out. I can see that many people do move things in FCP using keyframes, and I have to mention that all such motion stands out like a sore thumb.
Lance
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I’d fathom a best estimation (guess) that when Snow Leopard does come out in September (Amazon is taking pre-orders), there will be an update to FCP 7.0.1 or .2 or .3 that will address the multi threaded and 64 bit issue. I’m sure it is being worked on ; ) but just not released because the OS does not yet support it, but SL will.
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[Craig RussillRoy] “SHAKE makes me wonder what is going down between NUKE and Apple”
they head developed of Shake left Apple to work on Nuke.
Nuke is too important to the feature film effects world to let fall into Apple’s hands. Shake had all the promise in the world. Apple poisoned it 🙂
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My guess is Apple will release something like “FCP Extreme” with Snow Leoprd. A new suite that will be 64bit 4:4:4 to appeal to the HD feature market. With improvements like a Shake style compositor instead of Motion. Maybe even a Bluray authoring tool to replace DVDSP. Or how about including Logic instead of STP.
cheers,
Greg NosatyCinemontage Productions Inc
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Apple bought Shake and then killed it so I don’t think they’d be in the market to repeat the process with Nuke. I’d long assumed that Apple killed Shake because it was too much of a niche market for Apple w/customers that expect a lot support and openness w/the venders they use. That’s not exactly how Apple rolls as we all know. This post from Ron Brinkmann (one of the guys that created Shake and has long since left Apple to go work at The Foundry) just solidifies my assumption.
https://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1457213&postcount=44
“I’m actually pretty surprised that this is even news. Shake was discontinued years ago and a good chunk of the team (myself included) have long since moved on. Apple doesn’t build products for high end niche markets… the support requirements alone make it uninteresting to them. As for ‘Phenomenon’, I believe it’s hanging out with the Yeti in Area 51…”I’ve wonder for a while how ‘deep’ Apple wants to go into the post production market and this seems to be an indication of an answer. FCP, Motion, Soundtrack Pro, etc., all have pretty broad appeal because every project pretty much needs editing, sound editing/mixing, and gfx of some sort but not every project needs advanced features like Shake has. This also makes me less hopeful that Color isn’t going to avoid the same fate eventually (especially given only a .5 update after two years).
-Andrew
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Qmaster does work on the local machine and will use all the local CPU’s, however you do have to follow the docs. Jan Ozer and the apple tech person are simply wrong.
In order for it to work, you must FIRST configure the cluster via the System Prefs Control Panel and enable it. then when you send the job from compressor, be sure to select the cluster.
that said, I’ve got a compressHD around and its wildly faster then CPU encoding. if you like to go home at the end of the day on time instead of waiting around to get a preview out of the days work, it’ll pay for itself quick enough.
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Like SPRUCE DVD ?? he he
There have been some interesting rumors floating around …
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I very much understand Rob’s discontent with the Final Cut Studio Update. I’m also quite surprised Final Cut Pro hasn’t yet received it’s much needed overhaul. I don’t think we’ll see a “native OSX video editor” from Apple any time soon though – seeing this update took over 2 years. Final Cut Pro isn’t even a Cocoa app yet! I thought that transition would happen years ago but as other developers have stated, the transition to the “native” OSX future (i.e. Cocoa) isn’t an easy game always with behemoth apps such as Final Cut.
Personally I thought the delay between FCS2 and FCS3 would push us into say a new era but evidently it did not. I think it was a tactical decision to release FCS3 before Snow Leopard and keeping Leopard support. FCS3 wasn’t meant to be a “huge” update at all. The facts that there still is PowerPC executable code in the packages supports this, given it’s very odd Apple doesn’t official support G5’s when they clearly kept support in the applications. I have a very hard time seeing a 7.01 update coming giving full 64-bit support in Snow Leopard seeing, as stated, Final Cut Pro isn’t even a native Cocoa app and as far as I know it, that’s the only native 64-bit API Apple want’s apps to talk.
Maybe 2 years down the line, when MacOSX 10.7 is on the horizon, will we see the Final Cut-package “move into the 21st century”. Some parts of it might move a-head faster than others thought – I actually think Final Cut Pro is the only non-cocoa app left and it’s sadly the most used also.
Erik Lindahl
Freecloud Communication
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Steve,
I think I will get CompressHD and turn QMaster off. $500 investment that is well worth it considering it’s rated speed and resolution support (amazing).
FYI, I’ve tried every possible combination of QMaster configuration and none of them work on my MacPro.
Others,
I highly doubt Apple will release an FCP 7.x update that turns it into a native 64bit SL anytime soon. Heck it took Apple 1 year to finally fix Logic Pro 8 so it was usable. LP9 will be at my door tomorrow so I can evaluate that.
My guess (and that’s all it is) is that Apple are simply applying logical financial business resource allocation to Pro Applications based on the sales of those Pro applications. Given the lack luster feature/upgrade set in FCS 3, I’ll assume that FCS sales just aren’t good enough to justify the resources. Limited resources equals limited enhancements. So it would seem the sales numbers just don’t justify the investment in a complete overhaul and native SL FCS.
Implications here are that unless Apple does take a “risk” with FCS (invest more resources and hope sales pick up), it’ll most likely fade away and iDVD will be it. But as has been pointed out, I don’t think Apple want to try to compete in the more series post production market.
From my perspective, the FCS 3 release is writing on the wall, just as killing off shake was some years ago — I’m sure most of us have transitioned to other products and use multiple products so it’s not like were out in the cold. The only part of this puzzle (in my head anyway) is why Apple bought Shake in the first place? Anyway, doesn’t really matter now.
Anyway, I’ll keep using FCS 3 if I can get that Matrox CompressHD card to work well. But I’ll also keep using other post production products such as Sony Vegas, Digital Performer, and Adobe and see where I ultimately spend most of my time.
I’m not really blaming Apple, as was pointed out, “it is what it is” and I’m sure there is a very valid reason how/why Apple took this path.
Rob.
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I think the correct header should be FCS 3 upgrade Not worth USD299 for me. We all have different needs and skillsets. most of you works with it for a living some of us works with it in a privat context. I have ordred my copy for 2 reasons. 1 It moves your markers if you make changes to your timeline. A feature I would have loved to have when I had placed some 80 markers in a timeline and when decided to remove som fotage because it made a particular clip boring. The second feature is the feature ind Soundtrack pro that matches the voicelevels in different clips. all my project are personal. I have a very good shotgun mike on the camcorder, and a headset, but the soundlevels between my headset and my shotgun mike do vary because of the distant between my mouth headset and the shotgun mike the subjects I am filming. If Voice-level match works as indicated it would save me alot of time.
Let the machine work for you. Not you for the machine
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