-
FCPX Newbie – is learning FCPX worth the time?
-
[Chris Harlan] “I find it very difficult to believe that you are asking that seriously. Multiple open timelines. Advanced sync indicators. The ability to customize your screen or screens to your liking. Source windows. Tracks. A mixer. The list just keeps going. You may not use any of this stuff, but I assure that other people do.”
just because you use it in FCP7 doesn´t mean it is missing in FCPX in everyone´s workflow. There are tons of features in FCPX that are missing in FCP7 and once you used FCPX there is just no way back, because FCP7 feels EXTREMELY clunky.
Maybe you have a workflow that only works with these features you mentioned, but in X I never missed a sync marker and also don´t feel the need for rearranging windows and tabbed-timelines. For Exambple I just use the back/forward-arrow, which when you hold them flip-open a list of recently used timelines. So little different, similar functuality.
The mixer….you are definitely right about the mixer, though!
-
[Walter Soyka] “I don’t know. I think Adobe’s Creative Cloud makes a lot of sense for customers, too — and if it doesn’t make sense for you, you can still buy the perpetual license.”
My problem with the cloud version is what happens if you stop paying? I believe you are not able to open your last version once you stop paying. With a “perpetual license” you may not choose to upgrade but at least you can open old projects 10 years later.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
—————————
nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
“but I wouldn’t be shocked if 2 years from now it is just where FCP7 was 14 months ago.”
I would. But then again, I’m in Hollywood, so I’m part of the market FCX isn’t aimed at. I highly doubt FCX will ever see the proliferation that FCP 7 did in this town.
Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def -
Alban you’re a genius! Never though to hold down on that back arrow for a pop up list. Awesome!
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
-
[Herb Sevush] “My problem with the cloud version is what happens if you stop paying? I believe you are not able to open your last version once you stop paying. With a “perpetual license” you may not choose to upgrade but at least you can open old projects 10 years later.”
Yup.
That’s the tradeoff for not shelling out $2600 upfront for a perpetual license for Master Collection ($1900 for production premium).
On the other hand, at current pricing, you won’t break even buying a new perpetual Master Collection license and upgrading every year versus subscription until 2040. If you only upgrade every other year, or if you buy Production Premium and do upgrade every year, you break even buying versus subscribing in 2019.
And of course, if you chose to stop subscribing and really needed to open that file, you could choose to go month-by-month. It might still be cheaper.
It’s not right for everyone, and I’m still a little leery of “renting” software myself, but it will be worth consideration for a lot of folks — especially the ones just starting out who don’t have thousands of dollars to sink into software licensing upfront.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events -
[Shane Ross] “I’m in Hollywood, so I’m part of the market FCX isn’t aimed at. I highly doubt FCX will ever see the proliferation that FCP 7 did in this town.”
Had to randomly chime in here… You may or may not be right about the proliferation part, but I’d respectfully disagree about X not being “aimed” at professionals. It’s absolutely not like the fairly easy switch people made from Avid to FC7, and there are some features they still need to fix/add. But as far as actually editing, it’s as “pro” as you want it to be. 🙂 The biggest deal for me is being able to easily send elements out to someplace like New Wave for finish, and I don’t think that’s too far off. In my worthless opinion anyway. 😉
————————————————————-
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
-
[Walter Soyka] “It’s not right for everyone, and I’m still a little leery of “renting” software myself, but it will be worth consideration for a lot of folks — especially the ones just starting out who don’t have thousands of dollars to sink into software licensing upfront.”
I think the real value is for a facility that wants everything they offer and the value of always having the latest upgrade. As for the economics, I don’t think the $50/month fee will remain that low for long. Once they have you hooked your helpless if they raise the monthly rates. They’re just like any other pusher, and the customer is just another junkie who needs a fix.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
—————————
nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf -
Hey Chris, I don’t think you misunderstood, and thanks for your replies – as well as everyone else – the conclusion I’ve come to is that FCPX MAY at some point become popular enough that it will be what the wanted ads are looking for – and since it has a different way of doing things it might be worth it to understand that way – and since I do have a copy of it that I didn’t have to pay for – what the heck. I’ll learn it – but like you it sinks down on my to do list – I’ll be learning it in my free time. It is apparently nothing I need to know at this moment and usually I learn new skills on a need to know basis.
Christopher Key
-
[Charlie Austin] ” You may or may not be right about the proliferation part, but I’d respectfully disagree about X not being “aimed” at professionals.”
I didn’t say it wasn’t aimed at professionals. I said it wasn’t aimed at my specific market in Hollywood. Because it lacks pretty much every feature we need. EDL support (yes, we still work with EDLs and deliver EDLs), OMF or AAF support for DAWs (Apple didn’t do it…third parties did). Capture from non-firewire tape based decks. Oh…yeah, they rely on third parties to solve that too. It is designed for people to do everything INSIDE the app, including color correction (Yeah, speaking of THAT tool…aimed at beginners, not professionals) and audio mixing.
The Hollywood workflow is that of collaboration. Editor…colorist…audio mixer…VFX. We also still use tape input and output on a regular basis.
This app isn’t aimed at us…it is aimed at OTHER editing professions. Sure, a lot of people have gotten it to work for their specific broadcast markets…and with the aid of third parties who fill the gaps Apple couldn’t be bothered dealing with, some in my neck of the woods have gotten that to work. But it’s all a shoe horn. FCP 7 did ALL of this, and a lot more. It did everything I needed, everything a lot of people needed. But then FCX comes out lacking a majority of what I need…and even with the updates they have done, they still lack a majority of what I need done. Again…relying on third parties to fix what they cannot be bothered with.
It works for most…not for me. Not for most LA productions…and I cannot see it ever gaining the same market share that FCP Legacy did.
Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def -
[Herb Sevush] “So tell me Bill, what do you use instead of Photoshop? “
Pixelmator.
70% of the capability. 10% of the cost.
[Herb Sevush] “Apple is casting a wider net into a larger sea, Adobe and Avid seem to be making high quality rods for serious fisherman.”
Fine.
Tho I’ll note that at the top of the class, the expert Marlin fisherman are all well and good, but they aren’t the ones putting the food on the worlds tables. That’s left to those who spread the wide nets, not the targeted fishing lines.[Herb Sevush] “Things do not always change for the better, things are not that simple.”
This is true. But I don’t see many Nagras out there anymore. Nor Kleig lights. Nor Mitchell BMCs.So perhaps sometimes things actually DO change for the better.
Ask the slide rule manufacturers – if you can find one.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up