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FCPX in action
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Thanks Craig,
Looks like television to me!
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[Mark Dobson] “Looks like television to me!”
Cheers. As I mentioned, not all our items are self shot. This one was and they can be a challenge. But this looks ok I think.
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[alban egger] “What irritates me (and I have posted that before) that basically EVERY thread gets into a “FCPX or NOT” discussion, even if that was not the OP´s intention, and the same arguments are brought from the two sides.”
Some of the endless rehashing does get tiresome, but if you tried to cut them off, we’d lose all the great digressions. This is about the only place they can happen. Where else can you discuss how an NLE’s data model influences its interface or what EMC^2 was doing in early NLE history?
[alban egger] “And maybe what irritates me most is the fact that many who write “against” FCPX are doing so without even knowing it or based on stuff they read on the web. “
Fair enough. This doesn’t do any good. Fortunately, there are many knowledgeable and open-minded posters here who use FCPX to correct any inaccuracies falsely posted by their less experienced brethren.
One who claims something is impossible shouldn’t interrupt someone who is doing it. We may not always agree, but I am glad that there are people like you, Steve, Jeremy, John, Bill and now Craig here.
[alban egger] “And sometimes it seems to me not very organical how the pro-CS6 arguments pop-up. They pop-up in the first two or three replys.”
Re-read the first few posts. Premiere came up because an FCPX user proclaimed FCPX’s absolute superiority over every other NLE, not in response to Craig’s good news about cutting BBC broadcast material with FCPX.
[alban egger] “If you go to dvxuser you will always have Panasonic in the back of your head when you walk away. Here it is Adobe.”
I think you’ve got it backwards. These are self-selecting groups; of course Panasonic will advertise on a forum full of Panasonic camera users. Of course Adobe will advertise on a forum full of displaced NLE users. An ad or two from Apple here would probably go a long way toward convincing some folks here that they were serious about the market.
The thing that pretty much everyone in this forum has in common is that they are former FCP7 users who are looking for something new. Premiere Pro is the most FCP7-like NLE on the market today, so it seems natural to me that it will keep coming up as the primary alternative to FCPX for all of us former FCP7 users.
[alban egger] “I doubt it happens that way in Avid or CS6 parts of the Cow. Maybe the FCPX users are too busy to spill bad blood elsewhere.”
It’s this sort of back-handed remark about users of other NLEs that set off the tiresome and valueless FCPX or not back-and-forths and ad hominems. I’d rather skip that and read about the relevance of reel ID [link].
These arguments don’t happen in the FCPX Techniques forum [link], which is analogous to the Adobe Premiere Pro forum [link] or Avid forum [link].
Neither are people there insulted with the suggestions that their intentions are less than honorable or their opinions not genuine.
Different forums for different discussions.
Walter Soyka
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class – thats a brilliant work flow description craig – properly publicly informative, any edit system aside. also, it is **god help me** hard not to dig film strip on a fat second monitor. It really is.
pluck your eyebrows slattery, because that is a better apple sell workflow narrative than at least one out of three currently on the apple site. It also features the consonants ‘B’ ‘B’ and ‘C’.
they appear to take nice workplace photos for their pieces.
I completely get (and quite a bit better now) the deeply useful cognitive run throughs apple have made in assembly for long form – what with increasingly out of control ratios of file based media input.
I don’t do much long form at all, but the last time was insane with the volume of material.there would have been a time when leaving the source clip as an unintelligible moniker would be unimaginable?
Its honestly interesting to consider that apple are providing a scenario that actually can, with filmstrip, skimming and tagging, allow the editor to hop skip and jump over formal clip by clip source viewer interrogation, naming and item categorisation – that with the rather ridiculous speed of footage interrogation and tagging, they’ve constructed a semantic pool staging area instead…
…given that uncontrolled ratio input and collapsed turnaround times are making that formal item/source viewing step nearly untenable?
Still…
curmudgeon – don’t personally like it for my own short form commercial malarky tho.
SURPRISE.
– the kind of heft and movability apple are providing you, which they worked hard to derive, are a mess in short form and other scenarios where time is not quite such an issue, and the short circuit footage pool is not as desirable.
they’ve also short circuited a lot of basic timeline process to get there, and outside of optimised scenarios, it feels like a car on weird, if fast, automatic with large signs to direct work process.It very much feels like an editor designed to do certain specific things and reward certain specific scenarios?
I find, (as bloody ever said everyone), that apple fundamentally fail to provide a basic universal canvas for an appraisal of what editing can be – they pre-judged and tooled it for a highly defined scenario that i find reductive. even if it is brilliant in that context.
I’ll ask you it this way – given all the inputs you had craig, all the inferences that bled in to your skillset, that allow you to formulate FCPX behaviours to your liking, would you feel comfortable with all future editors blindly knowing nothing but the primary and secondary metaphor shortcuts? all pre-connected with default ripple?
In an apocalyptic scenario – if you had to pick one editing system to retain, to pass on a fundamental cognitive landscape to represent the infinite possibilities of time based editing – would you pick FCPX?
no, of course you wouldn’t – that would be insanity.
I can feel you nodding in agreement already 😉
lets all go to PPro 6 (or avid) and protect the grammatical fundamentals of editing, and probably civilisation.
I thank you, try the veal.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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I still find it so amusing that the inference in many of theses discussions is that somehow the way FCPX works, limits your creative possibilities as an editor.
Steve Connor
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I’m not inferring it steve – I’m directly saying it. And I’m right too.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Steve Connor] “I still find it so amusing that the inference in many of theses discussions is that somehow the way FCPX works, limits your creative possibilities as an editor.”
On the other hand, I’m amused by the inference in many of these discussions is that somehow the way FCP legacy works, limits your overall performance as an editor.
[craig slattery] “In legacy FCP having two multiclips 20 mins long on the time line, the system would be shitting itself. X didn’t miss a beat. It was incredible.”
At least from v.6 onwards FCP can handle massive multi clip timelines populated with dozens of 8 or 9 or 10 or more angles, so I laugh out loud at what some “X switchers” are spreading around. Get a load of this; It comes across as pure prejudice! In order to prove their points -or rationalize their choices- people are willing to go very far. How many times do we read something that understates what legacy workflows are actually capable of, only to prop up X in its place? Boy, that’s terribly common, so I know how you’re feeling, Steve.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I’m not inferring it steve – I’m directly saying it. And I’m right too.
“Where’s the emoticon for blowing a raspberry? I NEED an emoticon for that.
Steve Connor
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[Christian Schumacher] “so I know how you’re feeling, Steve.”
Misinformation and uninformed opinion does cut both ways
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure”
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