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[Tony West] “If I have music that I want to go below the primary and I hit q it’s going to automatically go below. If there is already vo there it would automatically drop it below that.”
But if you already have music there and then add VO, it goes below the music, which is typically not where you want it. So then you make the edit plus move the vertical position of the VO. Something Apple has tried to fix with Roles. However in a track based system, you could already have decided: a1- dialogue, a2-VO, a3-SFX, a4- music. And control your track patching accordingly.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “But if you already have music there and then add VO, it goes below the music, which is typically not where you want it. “
I would just put the VO down first. So I’m not switching anything.
[Oliver Peters] “And control your track patching accordingly.”
I can control that with Lanes and I have the best of both worlds with the speed of swapping large sections with connected clips and the organization of Tracks.
This is a great example of what I’m talking about in what certain people don’t like about the timeline and what others do like. For example I will typically see people who are new to X detach their b-roll audio to put it below the primary.
I ask, “why did you do that” and they say “I just want it down there. It’s always been down there”
Audio being above their video like that freaks them out and they don’t like it. I tell them they can put it down there in Lanes, they don’t have to detach or, they can just leave it where it is. I say, “nobody at home will be able to tell your audio is above or below the primary. They just want to hear it mixed correctly.
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[Tony West] “I would just put the VO down first. So I’m not switching anything. “
Sometimes you don’t have that option. Often rough cuts are presented for review with temp music and space for VOs. Then the VOs are written, recorded, and placed afterwards.
[Tony West] “This is a great example of what I’m talking about in what certain people don’t like about the timeline and what others do like.”
Actually it’s not. I think you missed the point of my comment, which wasn’t a criticism of X. Rather that every app has extra steps depending on the function you are trying to perform. For example, I often prelap B-roll cuts, which means they are appended to the primary clip before, not the relevant clip. This means I have to move the connecting point first if I want to move the primary clip and have the B-roll travel along.
X simply presents a different way of working. Not better or worse. Not faster or slower.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “X simply presents a different way of working. Not better or worse. Not faster or slower.
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For you perhaps, for me it is better and faster 🙂
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[Tony West] “Now X has other tools that are cool like the skimmer and background rendering and many more, but that’s not why most people decide to use X or not use X.”
Can we be honest about the “background” rendering/ transcoding though?
Absolutely nothing is happening in the background. I feel like ignore this when touting this “feature”
It only starts working when you stop working. Look how Avid implemented it. Keeps rendering when you work and you have the option ot make it pause or not if your system is up to snuff. Now only if Avid added background saving.
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[Neil Goodman] “It only starts working when you stop working.”
Agreed. I just tossed that in there as an example.
I don’t even use it most times. All I care about is that I can work in realtime with the material I throw in the timeline.
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[Tony West] “You are leaving out the step of patching a track. I’m not patching a track. If I have music that I want to go below the primary and I hit q it’s going to automatically go below. If there is already vo there it would automatically drop it below that.”
As I have mentioned before in another context, Premiere’s Overlay edit option allows you to do exactly what you are describing here.
I only bring it up again here because so few users seem to know that it exists and it’s extremely useful for the same reasons that Q is such a useful feature in FCP X.
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Honestly, I think Apple should be underwriting the filmmaker’s efforts and at least out-of-pocket costs. He’s doing their job for them.
Part of the reason X has so little brand recognition in the professional community is that Apple has completely walked away from any public promotion of its software products. I know they do a lot of things behind the scenes, but that doesn’t make itself known out there in the greater production and post community.
Apple seems to expect its halo effect to do all that’s needed and it simply doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked for Logic (supplanting Pro Tools) or Motion and it isn’t working for FCPX. Look at the large effort Adobe puts behind its products and how that’s paying off in perception and implementation among companies and users alike.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “It hasn’t worked for … Motion”
I think at this point it is simply undeniable that Motion only exists as a helper application for FCP X.
Apple have long since given up any serious support for it.
And shame on them for that!
The fundamentals of Motion mean that it has extraordinary potential. It’s an utter disgrace to see it disregarded by Apple as it has been for so many years.
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[Oliver Peters] “Sometimes you don’t have that option.”
I pretty much always have that option. If I’m cutting a spot with VO I cut the VO first. That’s more important than music.
I add the music after, so I never come across having to move it. The extra step that you would take is not a step that I would take.
If I add the music first it’s because I’m cutting to the music. Like a highlight package.
Either way whatever is driving my piece is what goes in there first.
[Oliver Peters] “X simply presents a different way of working. Not better or worse. Not faster or slower.”
It’s faster form me because of the way I’m using it, and I’m pretty sure that it’s that way for others. Like when I see people separating their b-roll audio to drop it below just because they want it down there. Yeah, that would take THEM longer than me because I’m not doing that.
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