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FCPX and color correction tools
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[Steve Connor] “I’ve done a couple of edit projects in Resolve and I’ve been very i”
Funny, I just got off a quick Premiere gig and that (good) experience moved Resolve to a distant 3rd in my mind. I am happy with Premiere as my backup NLE.
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Scott Witthaus] ” Does the corporate guy/gal need all that? Wedding videos? Online marketing folks?”
As a ‘corporate guy’ who works in a large marketing group… sometimes, yes. You might be surprised at the things we’re sometimes asked to fix or change. Someone might bring me an interview where they don’t like the color of the lights in the background, or they want me to match the color of different camera angles from two different camera brands, or work with compressed raw footage from a Blackmagic camera, etc. I can usually handle these tasks in Premiere Pro or EA, but sometimes it’s just easier to do in Resolve. Lastly, if I worked on weddings full time, I don’t think I would use anything but Resolve and Fusion. ☺
Shawn
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Just to clarify my current round of criticism of FCPX UI. I was targeting the color board and how color correction works inside the application. I agree that the recent overhaul of the application as a whole was nice and shows some degree of making things better.
However, now that I have to apply color correction as an effect, then start tweaking means I am mousing more than I was before. having a color effect already on the clips by default was saving having to do that for every single clip which was nice. They fixed being able to change the order in which effects are applied(nice) but now I have to add an effect to start working.
There is more navigating around the color board as it is currently working then having everything lined up inside the lumetri panel. all of that time spent getting to the right tab lets your eyes adapt and undermines your ability to actually color correct effectively. (which is somewhat self defeating as that was what the we were trying to do in the first place)
The color board makes sense if you are on a tiny laptop screen sitting at a cafe but is poorly designed for grading day in and day out in a full blown grading session. I know that those are two ends of the spectrum but if one is going to stay within the app that is your current limitation that could be further improved with some more love by the development team and not crammed in from the wonderful people who make the plugins we all enjoy using. Rearrange it so that panel makers have the hooks they need to be able to manipulate more then one parameter at a time and then you have the speed ones needs to really grade. Then we can start fighting over how roles and grade managment will interact.
I want the tool to be better than it is. FCPX has come a long way and I still argue it has a long way to go before it will be on top again.
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[Scott Witthaus] ” So when an elegant design like X comes along, the “complex crowd” gets in an uproar: “It can’t be that simple. Just look at that interface! Why, even a high schooler can do our jobs now…”. Yup, they can. So be better.”
I don’t consider the FCPX interface to be all that great. In fact the GUI is one of the worst I have ever used. Having said that high school students can also use Premiere Pro CC. You can see high school student use FCPX and Premiere Pro both to make YouTube videos.
[Scott Witthaus] “That’s why my theory is that I want the most elegant tool (FCPX for me) that does the work I do without the technology or design getting in the way.”
FCPX works but like any NLE it could be better. Do you think FCPX has any short comings?
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[James Sullivan] “However, now that I have to apply color correction as an effect, then start tweaking means I am mousing more than I was before. having a color effect already on the clips by default was saving having to do that for every single clip which was nice.”
Not really. Command-6 brings you straight to the color board and then you can add as many corrections as you want. No “mousing”.
[James Sullivan] “The color board makes sense if you are on a tiny laptop screen sitting at a cafe but is poorly designed for grading day in and day out in a full blown grading session.”
FCPX is an editor first, not a “full blown grading session” system.
[James Sullivan] “FCPX has come a long way and I still argue it has a long way to go before it will be on top again.”
Some like X , some like Premiere. I would say X is already on top. For me.
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Oliver Peters] “So let me get this straight. Choice is a bad thing? How very Apple of you!”
No Oliver, Exposing new optional ways to approach a needed task – THATs what options mean. Not having 10 programs that all use the same metaphors for color correction because someone in the 1960s (maybe with experience in circular WWII oscilloscopes?) decided three round scopes were the only proper design construct.
How very ADOBE of you.
(If you can toss a bit of friendly shade and exaggerate to make your point – I get too as well, right?)
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[Oliver Peters] “PS: You currently have to juggle three pucks. How is that different? (Four pucks if you count global.)
“One locational viewing focus as opposed to three separate ones to scan across.
That sounds like more efficient to me.
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Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Michael Hancock] “‘m curious how it’s faster.”
See my response to Oliver, above.
It’s at least as serious as most of the nearly useless debate in this thread.
We’re all just spitballing here, because everyone understands there’s really no functional difference with how Apple lets you adjust a color parameter on a rectangle – compared to how a traditional 3 way does it with a group of circles.
It all works just fine. The rest is just contankerism writ large, IMO.
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[Bill Davis] “It’s at least as serious as most of the nearly useless debate in this thread.”
“Nearly useless” for people who aren’t interested in anything beyond FCPX.
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[Bill Davis] “One locational viewing focus as opposed to three separate ones to scan across.”
If you look at Lumetri or a plug-in like Colorista the UI real estate taken up by color wheels is the same or less than the hue color swatch in the Color Board. In fact, the scanning is more in the Color Board, because the pucks have to rest over a specific color at the neutral point. This means you must not only move it up or down, but over to the hue that you want to add to or subtract from, as well.
As you can see in this image. Lumetri’s hue offset wheels and lift/gamma/gain adjustments are all there together. In FCPX, you’d have to switch between tabs.
What was that about focus? 🙂
FWIW – you can also stretch the Lumetri panel out for much bigger wheels. Choice. 🙂
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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