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FCP-X timeline
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[Nigel Thompson] “Everyone needs to chill. and if then u dont like it just buy something else i really dont see the need for all the rant and rave”
I think part of the ranting is that while they have appeared to address some complaints with previous versions, it seems that many have not been addressed at all in favor of ‘eye candy’.
The reason this is offensive is that many have spent big money on the software in previous versions, and expensive hardware to run that software. And that same software has several advertised core features that version after version don’t work as advertised, or are buggy.
It has the feel of a car with a great paint job, plush interior and killer sound system, that regularly won’t start.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.comI have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
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Yes, and what about EDLS that require track data? EDLs require a V1, V2. Maybe storylines ( as tracks are now apparently called) translate correctly into an EDL.
And absolutely – you need to be able to patch tracks in the timeline. Select tracks, solo-select tracks. That has to be in there, but I could not see anything in the timeline screenshots that indicated it was.
Hopefully there is a classic mode that you can switch the timeline too.
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I agree ….. there needs to be LOTS answered, EDL’s , Audio output, timeline settings , media management etc etc.
But dont let yourself go crazy guys. We all made investments. me as well. but what i do know is….. wait and see all the full features first.
The announcement was no in depth enough to make a judgement. The thing is not available yet let get more info as time goes by and then we can make informed statements and or decisionsHVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
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I don’t know why everyone’s in a tizzy – it’s not like it’s all THAT revolutionary. Pinnacle Liquid had (has?) it years ago where a “track” could be anything – video, audio or video AND audio combined in one track. There were actually some interesting ideas in their UI (as well as some terribly clunky ones).
https://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/PinnacleLife/Content/Tutorials/
Anyway, just mentioning the similarities – not taking a side one way or another. Just yet.
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[Les Kaye] “I don’t know why everyone’s in a tizzy – it’s not like it’s all THAT revolutionary.”
I am unconcerned about revolutionary, just professional workflows where material has to be exported to other apps and how to best arrange track based elements for a handover. This trackless idea may be fast and convenient for the edit, but I do not see how it is best suited to dropping final mixes into a finished timeline and exporting with correct track allocation.
Too much of FCP particularly with audio has been clip based. There is a very strong argument for track based processing, particularly with audio and this seems to be moving away, not towards that better implementation.
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Michael,
Now, after listening to the entire presentation on video from the SuperMeet, I’m beginning to think that there were many, many things lost in translation by those of us who only received our news live, via Twitter feeds and blogs. The presenters dropped loads of hints, and made many subtle references to an entire range of things that are coming later in X that were mentioned nowhere else. And trust me, I read almost every word, by every person reporting from the event.
What I heard when watching the complete video of the “sneak peek” made me feel much more secure, and I began to think that we are in the hands of some very bright guys who really do get it, and who know exactly what we do, and who know what they’re doing. I’m much more relaxed about the whole thing now, and I’m actually looking forward cutting my first project on X.
I think if you listen carefully, you’ll get the idea that the new interface is going to be very flexible. I don’t think you’re going to find that X will suddenly prevent those of us who know what we we’re doing from doing what what we need to do, from having control over the various elements in sequences.
Just remember, you heard it here…
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums. Formerly host of the Apple Final Cut Basics, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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David, I am reacting to the screenshot that started this thread. I was actually feeling positive as well and that was without the detailed study of the presentation. There was a lot to be positive about and I know it was a limited demo with functionality of beta software and nothing about the rest of the package.
I am certainly not doom saying – far from it. There is a lot to be really pleased about but I am throwing a cautionary note about the one aspect that Eric raised about the possibility of not having hard tracks.
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FWIW, anything’s possible – especially with Apple – but I highly doubt that they’d neglect OMF or other critical workflows necessary in a “Pro” environment – regardless of the disappearing track trick.
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[Michael Gissing] “I am certainly not doom saying – far from it. There is a lot to be really pleased about but I am throwing a cautionary note about the one aspect that Eric raised about the possibility of not having hard tracks.”
I understand exactly what you’re concerns are, but I suspect there are going to be toggles for almost all of those things. I mean let’s face it, the editor is the ultimate organizer, not the guys that write the software, and they know that. No one knows better than the editor where all the elements in a sequence need to reside, and if specifying tracks is necessary, I’m sure you’ll get to make that call. The guys at Apple are bright, and they know post.
Trust me, X is going to have kinks that we’re going to have to help Apple to iron out, but they know what’s coming, and I assure you, they’re going to be paying a lot of attention to those of us on this forum.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums. Formerly host of the Apple Final Cut Basics, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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[David Roth Weiss] “and I assure you, they’re going to be paying a lot of attention to those of us on this forum.”
If true, then all the more reason to voice concerns as well as comment on some real advances like proper audio sub frame scrubbing and no more keyframing. I noticed also the meters seem to allow for 6 output channels.
If Apple are listening, then take an old trick from audio DAWs and have small peak meters that align to each audio track. Left hand side is industry standard.
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