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FCP X Summit: new features/news
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[Michael Gissing] “I’ve been on this forum the whole six plus years since it began so again I ask the simple question of whether 10.4 is a good release for X users or disappointing”
I think it depends on whether one thinks that anything Apple does is insanely great or not ☺
Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “I think it depends on whether one thinks that anything Apple does is insanely great or not ☺”
True. Probably wasting my time asking. Either the same old patronizing history revisionists or meh response. From my view on the side lines I don’t see much innovation in this release apart from the 360/VR which might be argued to be catchup to Premiere & Fusion or are they going to be doing it better? Not my area so hard to gauge. Are Apple late to the party or doing something innovatively different?
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[Gabriel Spaulding] “The amount of development it has seen in the past six years is damn impressive.”
Considering that development most likely started a couple of years before release, you are probably looking at 8 years of development. By that yardstick and comparing to what BMD has done in the same timeframe, it’s pretty pedestrian. You can like what they’ve done or not, but based on quantity of development, it’s a pretty slow pace.
Then you have to factor a redesign of the UI because they got it wrong out of the gate. Apple released a somewhat skeuomorphic UI at a time when the rest of the design industry, including the rest of Apple, had moved away from that. Plus you’ve got the big misstep (or incomplete development at time of release) when Libraries were missed at time of launch. So let’s look at this objectively.
Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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“I don’t think I can go more than a few days w/o seeing an X supporter bashing another NLE on Twitter or FB. Or a PPro supporter bashing another NLE on Twitter or FB. Or an Avid MC supporter bashing another NLE on Twitter or FB.”
I’ve seen FCP X users poke at Premiere among fellow FCP X users —many of whom have actually used or currently also use Premiere— but I’ve never seen a FCP X user jump on an Adobe forum to assault Premiere users. I can’t say that never happens, I just haven’t experienced that and I do visit Adobe forums because I am in a situation that requires me to use Adobe software. I have seen countless people jump on specifically FCP X forums spreading misinformation and malice, however.
There are things FCP X does that are legitimately better (faster, more efficient, more fluid) than other NLEs, but the same is true of Premiere Pro and Avid. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. The past six years it really feels like FCP X users have been asked to prove their professionalism, and the professionalism of their tools, when the same is never asked of Premiere Pro or Avid users.
The mistake people make is that they form an opinion of one NLE and deem it unfit for their needs, and then hyper inflate their opinion of it and state that the NLE is unfit for everyone’s needs. It’s childish. Some people just don’t understand why someone would use FCP X, and they cannot let it go.
Gabriel Spaulding
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[Oliver Peters] “So let’s look at this objectively.”
Absolutely.
We’re roughly kinda comparing the public facing performance upgrades from…
the past 4 years of Black Magic
against the past 6 years of X
and the past 10 years of Premiere.I’ll give AVID a pass unless someone wants to include it – since the conventional wisdom appears to be the AVID folk aren’t really seeking innovative change – just improvements in the status quo. If I’m wrong, somebody will correct me, I’m sure.
So over the past 4 years, (when they’ve all been competing head to head)
Which tool do you feel has made the most progress? Is there a clear leader?
Or are they all evolving at about the same pace?I’d be interested in others opinions.
Features, innovations, stability, speed, – pick your preference and make your case for where your tool outshines the others. I’ll just observe.
What stands out in each?
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[Andy Field] “We must do it the Apple way…..and no other!”
When “The Apple Way” is significantly less stupid. Then yes.
The goal is to get the work done.
Knowing how the software actually functions is traditionally a pretty good way to improve the chance of that happening.
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“Then you have to factor a redesign of the UI because they got it wrong out of the gate.”
They got it wrong? I don’t recall the initial UI itself preventing anyone from getting their work done. And I recall seeing clapping and cheering when it was first shown to the public.
“Plus you’ve got the big misstep (or incomplete development at time of release) when Libraries were missed at time of launch.”
I see that as a great example of Apple doing what neither Adobe or Avid has done —re-thinking their approach and updating the infrastructure of the entire program. Was it really a misstep? Certainly Libraries are more flexible, but FCP X worked very well at launch.
I don’t see the point of comparing the developmental pace of competing NLEs. How long did FCP X have the skimmer before Premiere got Hover Scrub (which only has a tiny fraction of the functionality of the skimmer)? How long did Adobe have Morph Cut before Apple got Flow? How long did Avid have collaboration features before Premiere? How long did Premiere have multicam before FCP X developed their multicam, which is arguably the best in the industry? None of that matters. Features for the sake of features —is that the smartest path to take? What matters most to me —objectively—is HOW those features are implemented, and if that takes more time I’m happy to wait. It’s paid off so far.
Gabriel Spaulding
Creator & Director of ACE Enterprizes
Videographer | Video Editor | Motion DesignerHow Can We Help You Tell Your Story?
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[Gabriel Spaulding] “I’ve seen FCP X users poke at Premiere among fellow FCP X users —many of whom have actually used or currently also use Premiere— but I’ve never seen a FCP X user jump on an Adobe forum to assault Premiere users.”
I agree that when it comes to software specific help forums it’s generally a more homogeneous group, but if you go to places that are less software specific (some place that has a general ‘filmmaking’ forum, for example) you get a lot more butting of heads because it’s a more heterogeneous environment. And in the case of social media, I follow a lot of different people on Twitter and I belong to the major FB groups for X, PPro, Avid and Resolve so there are lot of different users (and their opinions) that flow through my social feeds.
[Gabriel Spaulding] “I see that as a great example of Apple doing what neither Adobe or Avid has done —re-thinking their approach and updating the infrastructure of the entire program. “
Adobe went back to square one with Premiere Pro and Avid has changed a lot with MC (AMA, 3rd party I/O support, etc.,.). Avid also demo’d a collaborative, cloud-based NLE at NAB in 2010, and they had a very well reviewed iOS NLE (Avid Studio for iPad) in 2011/2012 that let you transfer projects to the desktop version of Avid Studio (not MC).
To you point though, I think Apple can be more flexible than Adobe or Avid because Apple doesn’t depend on post/production/creative customers to keep the lights on.
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[Michael Gissing] “I’ve been on this forum the whole six plus years since it began so again I ask the simple question of whether 10.4 is a good release for X users or disappointing.”
Well there are quite a few users in the various FCPX FB groups who aren’t that impressed, my personal opinion is that it’s a solid update but not particularly exciting. I might be more impressed if I worked with 360/VR though.
However it’s not actually out yet so I’m looking forward to seeing what the smaller improvements are when it arrives
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[Gabriel Spaulding] “The mistake people make is that they form an opinion of one NLE and deem it unfit for their needs, and then hyper inflate their opinion of it and state that the NLE is unfit for everyone’s needs. It’s childish. Some people just don’t understand why someone would use FCP X, and they cannot let it go.
“Fortunately we don’t get that sort of behaviour on here any more
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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