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  • John Young

    October 30, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    I don’t complain about them adding things like VR, because they are adding things that improve the editing experience, which is what I care about. The new title tool is a vast improvement in workflow. Shared projects are going to be really useful. Essential Sound is a great and useful addition.

    Apple could just implement all of the features of Command Post and I’d be 10 times happier than them adding 3d titles. It’s surprising to me that we still can’t get timecode overlays 6 years in. CP does their best at adding the feature, but they are limited as to how far they can go with it.

    I’m not a fan of pushing features to plugins. I move around a lot, and don’t need the hassle of installing/activating/updating on several machines. I like a standard, full-featured application that I can count on being consistent.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 30, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    [Michael Gissing] “Which is what I’ve said all along but many X fans say third party plugins are best. I’ve been watching this thread for interest because my initial reaction to the update was that it was minor, basically playing catchup and again the 360/VR thing seems exactly the sort of niche that plugin people should be doing. “

    Tim Dashwood, who now works for Apple, made plugins that are now applied to FCPX. So in this case, Apple purchased (or acquired, or hired the guy, whatever the term) and made it part of the suite:

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/04/23/apple-hires-3d-360vr-toolbox-developer-tim-dashwood-to-final-cut-pro-x-team

    My guess is that in order to incorporate all the Apple is going in the AR realm (which I know this is different 360/VR vs AR). If it’s true that you can import iMovie projects in to FCPX, then adding a toolset to help with this seems to make a lot of sense.

    As far as the color tools, I welcome them to be native to the suite, especially greater LUT control and color space input/output. I am a long time Color Finale user, and will probably still use it (and still use the color board). Having the controls built in will be a good thing (plus I like the Sat control right on the wheel, it’s a nice upgrade).

    I would definitely like to see more mechanics being developed and released (media management, timeline navigation, Logic style Track Stacks, etc) but overall I think this will be a good update.

    I know that many people have been asking for audio upgrades, my guess is that we will get them eventually.

    So yes. Plugins are good if it takes Apple a long time to implement native effects. I don’t know if plug-ins are “best” but they are certainly are best if they fill an actual hole in overall NLE capability.

  • Michael Gissing

    October 31, 2017 at 12:47 am

    [Jeremy Garchow] “Plugins are good if it takes Apple a long time to implement native effects.”

    So in the past when I criticised Apple for not building in a lot of what I considered basic functionality, the cry went out that plugins are best but when Apple finally builds functionality in it is best? Confusing and a tad hypocritical to me, but carry on loving them for it. (not aimed specifically at you Jeremy, more a general comment)

  • Andrew Kimery

    October 31, 2017 at 1:33 am

    [Michael Gissing] “So in the past when I criticised Apple for not building in a lot of what I considered basic functionality, the cry went out that plugins are best but when Apple finally builds functionality in it is best?”

    It’s the ‘Jobs Doctrine’, crap on everything that you aren’t doing, then praise it once you start doing it. 😉

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 31, 2017 at 2:53 am

    [Michael Gissing] “So in the past when I criticised Apple for not building in a lot of what I considered basic functionality, the cry went out that plugins are best but when Apple finally builds functionality in it is best?”

    This isn’t unique to Apple. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    I think, and I may be wrong, you are specifically taking about OMF or AAF support as being one of the big reasons you balked at FCPX’s professionalism back in the day. You felt that something like X2Pro should be unnecessary.

    It’s not like FCPX didn’t have tools for grading or LUTs before this announcement. It does. Now, the tools are much more enhanced. With the huge range of color space options, it makes sense that apple would start to handle this process (that started with LogC support back in v10.0.8 or so) in the app. When adding HDR capability, there are certain tools that need to come along with it. Adding the color tools to manipulate and monitor this correctly and accurately (not to mention swiftly) simply makes logical sense to me.

    Meanwhile, X2Pro works great, while not a plug-in but a stand-alone app, it gets updated and fixed much more quickly than Apple would do. In this use case, I’d call X2Pro best. It is a great example of third party support done well. Handing off primary color transforms to third parties makes less sense to me.

  • Bill Davis

    October 31, 2017 at 4:12 am

    Appreciate it Tony, but the important part of the comment wasn’t the stuff about me.
    It was the stuff focused on the tools and how they approach the production process.
    .
    Understanding the debate about THAT is useful.

    The other stuff, not so much.

    (BTW, When I was in Cupertino at the Summit – I mentioned your name to a guy I know who is going to be in St. Louis on business in a bit and who loves chatting about X.
    He might touch base. Or not. Hard to say. Take Care.)

    Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
    The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

  • Tony West

    October 31, 2017 at 4:31 am

    [Bill Davis] “I mentioned your name to a guy I know who is going to be in St. Louis”

    Great Bill, I look forward to speaking with him if he calls and showing him where to find great food in the STL

  • Michael Gissing

    October 31, 2017 at 5:50 am

    [Jeremy Garchow] “I think, and I may be wrong, you are specifically taking about OMF or AAF support as being one of the big reasons you balked at FCPX’s professionalism back in the day. You felt that something like X2Pro should be unnecessary.”

    Yes I was – basic functionality in every other NLE. It took far too long for a way to get audio out of the island that was X. That and six iterations of xml before they had a reliable way to get off the island.

  • Erik Lindahl

    October 31, 2017 at 10:29 am

    I wonder if they’re going to sort out the compound clip nightmare when sending edits to apps like Resolve.

    Also… FIX THE GA-DAMMED A/V OUT! FCP CLASSIC HAD THIS IN THE 1990’s!

  • Scott Witthaus

    October 31, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “I think this is really only intended for camera footage shot on an iPhone or iPad with Apple’s software and NOT using third party camera apps.

    Or a Red camera in the future? Seriously though, it will be interesting to test.

    Scott Witthaus
    Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
    Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

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