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FCP X features or lack thereof. Your opinion on the rationale.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “But this goes the other way too. If I get back something that I didn’t give you, I then have to muck around for a day getting it all back together.”
Which is why I always try to get the project in and out via the best means which is the xml/AAF. I get annoyed when speed, framing, flops etc etc do not translate. X is annoying in that any third party plugin that is used in the timeline causes the fcpxml to import into Resolve as a compound clip which as you know is a pain to decompose if it has speed change information. Hopefully Resolve will work out a way to do an optional smart decompose on import.
Increasingly however I am finishing in Resolve so I am not outputting back to an NLE. So the issue of disappearing keyframes or speed/sizing info is not an issue. By far the most annoying thing in all this is text because I am doing docos. Increasingly the best procedure now seems to be creating all text as tiff or png with alpha rather than translating text generators which never works. I had a doco with hundreds of subtitles recently using a proprietary plugin in Avid. I spent far too much time trying to find software to translate the subtitles into anything – Premiere, Resolve, FCP7 but nothing worked. In the end the editor who was thousands of miles away emailed an EDL of the subtitle track and a text document with all the subtitles in order which was trivial to do with Avid as all that was built in. You see sometime the editor doesn’t own the gear and can’t go and buy third party plugins to solve problems like this. I was able to run the EDL and copy paste the text in in a few hours after wasting more than a day searching for alternatives to the uber simple EDL to give me the ‘placeholder’ events.
So in short EDL is the ultimate fall back that almost always works but is the last resort. That’s it in a nutshell.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “There must be something within fcpxml that allows this as xml isn’t as good, and EDL is a joke. So why do I have to stick with EDL that won’t help me, or the finisher, see my intentions in the timeline?”
I have my suspicions that Resolve has some fcpx tricks in it’s timeline when in fcpx mode.
fcpxml has nearly every piece of information from the cut where fcp7 xml is very limited. It’s even worse with Adobe’s mutated fcp6 xml.
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[Michael Gissing] “Hopefully Resolve will work out a way to do an optional smart decompose on import.”
I would imagine this is a Resolve issue as reimporting the same XML back into any other system does not produce a nested (or compound) clip. Blackmagic have definitely written weird fcpxml in the past, including xmls that would only work on the originating host machine.
For text, I always send an alpha channel movie the length of the timeline. It’s so easy and effortless to export a text only movie from FCPX, and the movie is small as there’s not a lot of information in it.
But yes, hours of EDL copy-pasta works too.
For FCPX, there’s donation-ware for subtitles that also makes life easier than EDL:
https://www.spherico.com/filmtools/TitleExchange/XTE/index.html
And text does come across from FCPX to Resolve as the text is in the fcpxml and not locked up in a plugin. It’s unfortunate that Avid can’t give you a better option than EDL.
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[Darren Roark] “I have my suspicions that Resolve has some fcpx tricks in it’s timeline when in fcpx mode. “
Yes, it seems to work really well, despite a few hiccups. Blackmagic has modeled some of the FCPX timeline features, so I imagine that helps with a cleaner translation. Xmeml isn’t nearly
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Yes, it seems to work really well, despite a few hiccups. Blackmagic has modeled some of the FCPX timeline features,”
I’m curious to know what this meant it’s at 32:50 for some reason posting a link at time isn’t working https://youtu.be/AV25nbw8uTc?t=1979
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[Michael Gissing] “with hundreds of subtitles recently using a proprietary plugin in Avid.”
Wait. So you paid for an additional, non-standard tool to allow for additional functionality that you needed??! And then you’re here and… oh never mind… ????
[Michael Gissing] “I was able to run the EDL and copy paste the text in in a few hours after wasting more than a day searching for alternatives to the uber simple EDL to give me the ‘placeholder’ events.”
Wow. Now I know why you were talking about “mucking around for a day”. That being the most “mucking” variation of an otherwise simple task, apparently born out of further ignorance (that you accuse me of) I guess. Because I don’t know about the other NLEs, but with X you could of had that 100% for free (or a small payment for an even better result) and within minutes with a few clicks and XML ex- and imports e.g. via SRT. But clearly there is little point in explaining how, seeing how you are so convinced that EDL is somehow an uber brilliant, helpful solution no matter what.
[Michael Gissing] “You see sometime the editor doesn’t own the gear and can’t go and buy third party plugins to solve problems like this.”
Right. After spending literally thousands on their NLE (other than X of course), it’s now asking way too much of them to spend less than $100 on an app to serve in (their) “critical to stable commercial workflows”? Instead it’s totally acceptable and sensible to buy something else (how much was it?) that doesn’t even do the job.
Now we have truly left the “rationale” part of this thread and (long) entered the absurd imho.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Now we have truly left the “rationale” part of this thread and (long) entered the absurd imho.”
The Oxford Dictionary chose “post-truth” for it’s word of the year which in our industry has a deeper layer of irony.
It doesn’t matter how much your NLE costs or how well it works as long as the company you bought it from does a great job of making you feel like you are continually making the best decision in continuing to use it, facts take a backseat to the feeling of being ‘right’.
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[Darren Roark] “facts take a backseat to the feeling of being ‘right’.”
Very well put and apropos. ????????
– RK
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[Robin Kurz]”Now we have truly left the “rationale” part of this thread and (long) entered the absurd imho.”
‘Humble’ opinion. Yes that is the most absurd thing you’ve said in this whole thread. I know you don’t like anyones opinion if it differs from yours but your counter arguments largely ignore what I say and why. I find arguing with you as pointless as engaging with a bot. Your comments are snide jeering at anyone who dares to challenge your confirmation biases. That is why I have often dismissed your comments as ignorance. Your mind is closed as is this now pointless discussion
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