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  • Oliver Peters

    October 12, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Its just funny that you literally NEVER hear, for example, a group of guitar players sitting around talking…”

    Clearly you haven’t hung around too many guitar players. There are plenty of similar discussions around guitars, amps, pedals, etc. Usually guitar player discussions center around the elusive chasing of the ideal tone.

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  • Oliver Peters

    October 12, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Now the other “A” fans have to work extra hard to make sure their software doesn’t get dissed via implication.”

    Well, this IS a debate forum, NOT an FCPX fan forum. 😉

    – Oliver

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  • Andrew Kimery

    October 12, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Clearly you haven’t hung around too many guitar players. There are plenty of similar discussions around guitars, amps, pedals, etc. Usually guitar player discussions center around the elusive chasing of the ideal tone.”

    Guitars, drums, mics, cars, tools (Snap-on vs Craftsman anyone?), computers, operating systems, video game consoles, video game franchises, movies, harddrives, TV shows, books, magazines, headphones, beer… the tribal mentality to splinter off into ‘warring’ factions knows no bounds.

    A while back I started getting into multi-day hikes (and subsequently camping) and when I started researching gear it was basically the same kind of brand wars. This one sucks, and that one is awesome and that one over there used to be awesome too but now they suck too… Ask 100 people and you’ll get 80 different answers. To be fair though, if you are on a multi-day hike in the backcountry your choice of gear can truly be the difference between life and death so I can understand the intensity of discussion by people that venture off on a regular basis.

    But back on topic, much like our discussions here, I had to narrow down the focus to the types of hikes I would generally be doing (climate, duration, terrain, etc.,) and then factor in my specific needs/wants/preferences in order to make anything useful out of all the conflicting information. In one instance I ended up going we a pair of boots (most important part of the kit) that weren’t very well recommended (and I understood why) but they were the most comfortable of all the ones I tried on so I went with them. They worked out well though I doubt I would recommend them unless you were doing the same kinds of hikes as I was and you had the same kinds of needs/wants/preferences that I do.

  • Tim Wilson

    October 12, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    [Bill Davis] “you literally NEVER hear, for example, a group of guitar players sitting around talking – and when one player says he really enjoyed playing his Gibson – there’s always two other guys popping up to say “yeah, but I could have played the same lick on my Fender (or Epiphone!)” Notice how NOBODY does that?”

    Are you f’in kidding me? That’s ALL they do, all g-damn day. Have you ever been to a guitar forum?

    Our illustrious founder Ronald Lindeboom used to work for Rickenbacker. He started on necks, and moved into finishing. Those beautiful inlays? The glorious paintjobs? That was him.

    I’d tell you about the time he held Paul McCartney’s left-handed Rickenbacker bass, or Chris Squire’s custom Rickenbacker double-necked bass in his own hands, but he probably rather I didn’t. LOL

    Not only do guitarists argue about the BIG stuff — Les Paul vs. Stratocaster — but they argue about humbuckers and pedals and headstocks, they argue about boards, they argue about tubes vs. electronics, they argue about live mixing to tape vs. Pro Tools.

    You want some REAL fun? Go to the Gibson forums, where people presumably agree that Les Pauls are handed down from g-d himself, and watch them argue about which Les Paul Jimmy Page used on a specific track, or at a specific show. Maybe it’s the one that Joe Walsh gave him, but Jimmy hand-shaved the back of the neck to make it narrower. Or was this the one where he used the Danelectro?

    I mean, these guys get into WHEN Jimmy shaved the neck. “No way man. I know the guy who put in the new, lower bridge so he’d get more action when he bent the strings. That was 1974, so he might have used it on Physical Graffiti, except that the track you’re talking about was recorded in 1970 for Led Zeppelin III.”

    Srsly man, these guitar guys make NLE-ers look like wee tiny babies who can barely hold their heads up, much less make a cogent argument. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more argumentative group in my life.

    ON TOP OF WHICH, they’re drinking while they’re having many of these arguments. Unless they’re doing weed or coke. Or all of them.

    As far as I can tell, only a couple of us are doing that while we post. LOL

    So please please PLEASE do not EVEN try to make the case that we’re in any way unusual, or that we as NLE-ers, or ESPECIALLY, that we as COWs “don’t get it” because we, and only we, argue about the little stuff. This goes very high on the list of most patently ridiculous and easily demonstrably wrong things I’ve ever seen posted in this forum.

    And that’s saying a LOT. LOL

    Much love my man, but c’mon. So far from true that there’s not even a word for it in English.

  • David Lawrence

    October 12, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    This ^ +1,000,000!!! LOL!

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  • David Mathis

    October 13, 2015 at 2:33 am

    Beware the Cone Heads my friend. Evil laugh included for free.

  • James Ewart

    October 13, 2015 at 2:39 am

    [Andrew Kimery] “A while back I started getting into multi-day hikes (and subsequently camping) and when I started researching gear it was basically the same kind of brand wars. This one sucks, and that one is awesome and that one over there used to be awesome too but now they suck too..”

    You can’t beat the Saloman Mens Quest 4D 2 GTX Boot.

    Nothing else comes close!

  • Andrew Kimery

    October 13, 2015 at 3:13 am

    [James Ewart] “You can’t beat the Saloman Mens Quest 4D 2 GTX Boot.

    How well do they breathe? I hate, really hate, having sweaty feet and my hiking is almost exclusively in warm, dry places.

    I’ve got a pair of Saloman trail runners (forget the model) that I really like so maybe I’ll look into their boots. The boots (and they might even technically qualify as hiking boots) I alluded to in my previous post were Merrell Moab Ventilators. The salesmen called them hiking high-tops which is probably a more apt description. I used them to hike Mt. Whitney and had no real complaints (no sweaty feet!) though if I had a heavier pack and/or was on a hike that was mostly rocky/’ungroomed’ trails then I’d certainly opt for a boot with a stiffer sole and more ankle support.

  • James Ewart

    October 13, 2015 at 3:31 am

    [Andrew Kimery] “How well do they breathe? I hate, really hate, having sweaty feet and my hiking is almost exclusively in warm, dry places.”

    Compared to traditional leather boots not Goretex lined? I would say as well but I wonder if that would stand up to scientific analysis.

    Your feet do not seem to get hot in them. They are light and yet incredibly snug and supportive. The lacing system wraps the boot around your foot in a way that is so super comfortable they mould to the shape of your foot. Quite a high supportive boot but doesn’t feel it because they are light.

    I wear them in the hills of the UK but also in the Austrian Alps where I have hiked up quite challenging low peaks in groups with people wearing more traditional heavy duty boots and never once felt like I was wearing footwear that was not up to the task.

    I have worked my way through a lot of boots and thought I would never wear anything but leather – it was a hard sell to get me to buy them but it would take a lot to persuade me to wear anything else now. I persuaded a friend who lives in the Lake District to buy a pair and he hasn’t looked back either.

    Really superb boots and worth the extra money for sure.

  • Tony West

    October 13, 2015 at 3:56 am

    David, when you use X on a laptop do you use it in the dual viewer mode or single viewer mode?

    The thing about cutting on a laptop is the screen is usually small making your canvas smaller.

    X with that single viewer setup seems better suited for a small screen than a 2up that would make the canvas even smaller on a laptop.

    I don’t cut on a laptop but every time I see folks cutting X on one, they have it in that single viewer mode.

    Sometimes I will see someone cutting 7 on a laptop and that canvas looks microscopic to me : )

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