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  • Thomas Frank

    July 22, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    [Chris Jacek]
    Not really. Ask a master carpenter to build a deck with a Swiss Army Knife and balsa wood, and I don’t think the results would be too good.”

    Hmmm that’s why I wrote he will make something out of it that worth awhile besides have you seen a European master carpenter work? 😉

  • Liam Hall

    July 22, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    [Glen Hurd] “Language is tied to culture, and culture is borne by sharing a common philosophy and language to describe it. A culture’s vernacular also becomes the secret handshake of that culture, allowing us to quckly identify whether we’re dealing with someone who is familiar with our world and our methodologies – or not.

    It’s true, in the film and television industry there is a widespread use of slang and technical terminology that is lost on many. I think this a bad thing. It’s borne out of arrogance and elitism. It’s designed to exclude, not encourage.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Andrew Kimery

    July 22, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    [Liam Hall] “It’s true, in the film and television industry there is a widespread use of slang and technical terminology that is lost on many. I think this a bad thing. It’s borne out of arrogance and elitism. It’s designed to exclude, not encourage.”

    Isn’t this use of specific language and short hand true in every field though? Heck, even when I was younger and worked at Blockbuster I had to learn the corporate vernacular as well as the slang that was used in our store (and our store slang might not be different from slang in other BB stores).

    -Andrew

    3.2GHz 8-core, FCP 6.0.4, 10.5.5
    Blackmagic Multibridge Eclipse (6.8.1)

  • Liam Hall

    July 22, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Yes, it’s true, but that doesn’t make it right.

    One man’s rushes is another man’s dailies…

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • John Christie

    July 22, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    [Liam Hall] “I think this a bad thing. It’s borne out of arrogance and elitism”

    I don’t think it’s arrogance and elitism. Every industry has a language born out of necessity that’s required so you can get things done and explain what you’re doing. I don’t want to say a “list of edit decisions in a machine readable format” when I can just say EDL. Mechanics don’t say “a mechanism to vary engine torque to the wheels” when they can say transmission.

    Cheers

    John

  • Andrew Kimery

    July 22, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    [Liam Hall] “Yes, it’s true, but that doesn’t make it right.”

    I don’t think this naturally occurring process is a moral issue. It’s just pragmatic to create situation specific vernaculars. If some people take knowing their specific trade’s lingo as some sort of badge of honor then so be it. I don’t think only speaking in layman’s terms about everything is a viable alternative.

    It’s like saying we should get rid of the concept of money or property ownership because some people are greedy or materialistic.

    -Andrew

    3.2GHz 8-core, FCP 6.0.4, 10.5.5
    Blackmagic Multibridge Eclipse (6.8.1)

  • Liam Hall

    July 22, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    [John Christie] “I don’t think it’s arrogance and elitism. Every industry has a language born out of necessity that’s required so you can get things done and explain what you’re doing. I don’t want to say a “list of edit decisions in a machine readable format” when I can just say EDL. Mechanics don’t say “a mechanism to vary engine torque to the wheels” when they can say transmission.

    Cheers

    John”

    EDL is an acronym. Nothing wrong with that. And I can never understand anything my mechanic says – which kind of proves my point:)

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Leo Hans

    July 23, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    I make an analogy to Software Developers.

    Every few years new programming languages appears and then programmers have to re learn how to do the programming.

    The mind behind the programmer is the same, but the programming tools change and evolve. They loose the opportunity to add features to an application without rewriting it but in favor to a more powerful language.

    The real difference with editor is that our industry tends to be more conservative.

    Leo Hans
    Editor AVID – Final Cut Pro
    https://www.leohans.com

  • Gary Huff

    July 24, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    [Liam Hall]EDL is an acronym. Nothing wrong with that. And I can never understand anything my mechanic says – which kind of proves my point:)

    I didn’t know a lot of the terms when I first started out, but I wasn’t so arrogant that I didn’t learn them as I gained experience. If there is “exclusion” it’s your own fault.

  • Liam Hall

    July 24, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    [Gary Huff] “arrogant”

    Don’t worry Gary, I’m not arrogant, and I know all the words and phrases. Though, I can’t work out why people are getting so hot and bothered over what Apple has called certain functions in FCPX. Language evolves. So do editing systems.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

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