FCP X – 15 films/5 days/clunkety clunk!

[Herb Sevush]

“Premiere Pro, which is being eulogised on this forum was also a piece of crap at version 1.0.”

PPro might have been “a piece of crap” compared to Avid or FCP, but it was also a HUGE improvement over Premiere, the program it replaced, even on the first day it was released. The same cannot be said of FCPX.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Steve Connor]

Well it wasn’t difficult to improve on Premiere was it? It may shock you to know that some of us think FCPX IS an improvement over FCP7 in some respects at least.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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[Herb Sevush]

“Well it wasn’t difficult to improve on Premiere was it?”

You were the one choosing to make an analogy with PPro, complaining about it now seems a little silly.

“It may shock you to know that some of us think FCPX IS an improvement over FCP7 in some respects at least.”

It may shock you to know that I think FCPX is an improvement over FCP7 in many respects — most of them having to do with the 64 bit engine. I’d like to be working with auditions, might occasionally use the compound clip feature, like the ability to use color match — just wish I could actually use X to cut shows with. But I can’t.

You made a bad analogy between FCPX and PPro. PPro was an upgrade, buggy or not. If you were making money using Premiere, you could make more money using PPro, even on day 1. In no way was it a step backward.

FCPX is, for now, a large step back in useability, which holds the promise of future advances. Which is why there are so many complaints. Most editors can’t make money today with promises of enhancements tomorrow, our clients won’t wait. If Apple had kept FCP up to date, while nurturing this new approach, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Steve Connor]

I’ll keep pushing the PPro thing a little further If I may, my facility was fully invested in Matrox Digisuite and Premiere 6.5 as were lots of people. PPro came out and was not usable with the hardware that some of us were actually making broadcast shows with.

In fact probably the ONLY people making Broadcast shows with Premiere used Matrox Digisuites, Adobe chose to dump them in the pursuit of their new code base.

Sound even slightly familiar yet?

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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[Herb Sevush]

If Apple had come out with FCPX, a total immediate improvement over FCP7, but with new hardware requirements, you wouldn’t be seeing so many companies jumping ship. Upgrades in software often require upgrades in hardware. That isn’t the problem here.

The issue with the FCPX rollout was that Apple killed an older program without providing anything suitable to replace it. The fact that FCPX “might” in a year, or two, or three (or never,) be capable of replacing FCP7 is not sufficient. This was not the case with Adobe.

Yes, Adobe EOL’d Premiere when they brought out PPro. The difference was that it was worth it. If you had invested in PPro version 1, your workflow would have been improved over Premiere 6.5 on the day you took off the shrink wrap.

So no, it doesn’t sound familiar at all.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Steve Connor]

Herb, did you miss the point? , I’ll try again.

We had invested tens of thousands of pounds in Matrox Hardware based systems using Premier, we could input and output component and SDI to tape.

When PPro came out it didn’t support anything but DV in and out you could not export to any broadcast formats at all, they EOL’d Premiere so when we took the “shrink-wrap” off the box, it wouldn’t work with our systems and you could not output to anything but DV tape, our workflow was completely useless

Sound familiar yet?

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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[Herb Sevush]

Steve –

My apologies, my first test with PPro was strictly dv. So yes, it does sound familiar, at least in terms of limited IO.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Steve Connor]

Ironically that’s what drove us to FCP and now after all this time we may be driven back to Premiere.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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[David Cherniack]

Steve, I think the counter to your argument is that there may have been in the tens to a few hundred people (and that’s pushing it!) using Premiere with Digisuite. How many thousands (tens of thousands?) are using FCP with a third party i/o card? Adobe didn’t kill any golden goose. I hardly remember a squawk among Premiere users when Premiere Pro 1.0 was released.

David
AllinOneFilms.com

[Steve Connor]

Agreed the scale is different, but the principle was the same.

I do think Adobe did it with much larger ambitions in mind, I’m not sure what, if any, ambitions Apple have for FCPX.

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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